Disagreement on Conspiracy Theory Pt 2


John R. Houk

© April 22, 2017

 

This is the post that follows Part One of “Disagreement on Conspiracy Theory”. Here is an intro excerpt to provide an idea of the theme for those who haven’t read Part One:

 

… Yurki has sent a lengthy comment that demonstrates agreement with another NCCR commenter using the moniker Futuret. Futuret leans more on the validity of some of the Conspiracy Theories than I do.

 

There are many Conspiracy Theories I concur with, yet many are simply beyond the believability scale especially when I know some facts that contradict a Conspiracy Theory accepted by way too many people.

 

 

… I am disagreeing much of Yurki’s comment to Futuret by answering the premises of the links and comments he has produced demonstrating agreement to the Political Vel Craft link that pushes the theory that the Chemical attack on Khan Shaykhun perpetrated by Bashar al-Assad … was a false flag perpetrated by Trump Administration.

 

This time my comments will be in bold text from this point on. Yurki’s text will be as he wrote except for quotes which will be indented.

 

 

Love of Money Root of All Evil

 

Image from here:

https://jvn2k07.wordpress.com/2016/10/29/losing-our-way-1-timothy-610/

 

 

‘..And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years..’

 

– Revelations 20:4

 

I can’t argue with the Word of God, right? When the Lord Jesus returns in power, He will bring the final test of humanity inaugurating the Thousand Year Reign at the end of which Satan will be released from his chains for the final test of humanity.

 

https://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/why-did-the-u-s-government-recently-purchase-30000-guillotines/

 

I thought maybe the link above was related to the quote below. It is not. I believe Yurki is refencing the Revelations 20:4 quote above. The Sharia Unveiled link is an article wondering why the U.S. government procured 30,000 guillotines.

 

I believe the point Yurki is making has to do with the Tribulation period that occurs prior to the Thousand Year Reign of Christ. During the Trib period those caught be Satan’s government that refused the mark of the beast were executed by losing their heads. Popular modern interpretations of this future execution was by using a guillotine.

 

In the Sharia Unveiled article there are three bullet points which are followed by the Rev. 20:4 quote.

 

– The use of guillotines for “governmental purposes” was lobbied for and passed in the U.S. Congress

 

– The information we received is that 15,000 are currently stored  in Georgia and 15,000 in Montana

 

– Are the beheadings by muslims today meant to condition and desensitize us against U.S. Government beheadings in the future?

 

‘..And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years..’

 

– Revelations 20:4

 

VIDEO: Guillotines, NWO, Fema Camps; Tribulation Saints [Warning]

 

Posted by FBCFilms

Published on Aug 3, 2014

 

HB 1274 authorizes the state of Georgia to execute citizens by guillotine:

 

Georgia House of Representatives – 1995/1996 Sessions HB 1274 – Death penalty; guillotine provisions Code Sections – 17-10-38/ 17-10-44 A BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT 


1- 1 To amend Article 2 of Chapter 10 of Title 17 of the Official

 

1- 2 Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to the death penalty

 

1- 3 generally, so as to provide a statement of legislative

 

1- 4 policy; to provide for death by guillotine; to provide for

 

1- 5 applicability; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other

 

1- 6 purposes.

 

SECTION 1.

 

1- 8 The General Assembly finds that while prisoners condemned to

 

1- 9 death may wish to donate one or more of their organs for

 

1-10 transplant, any such desire is thwarted by the fact that

 

1-11 electrocution makes all such organs unsuitable for

 

1-12 transplant. The intent of the General Assembly in enacting

 

1-13 this legislation is to provide for a method of execution

 

1-14 which is compatible with the donation of organs by a

 

1-15 condemned prisoner.

 

source: http://www.cephas-library.com/nwo/nwo_guillotine_provisions_in_georgia.html

One question to consider:

 

If Georgia was planning to utilize guillotines as a method of execution, how could this be carried out without purchasing guillotines?

 

NOTE: Special Agent Ted Gunderson wrote the original of this article prior to his death in 2011.

 

READ ENTIRETY (Why Did the U.S. Government Recently Purchase 30,000 Guillotines? Posted by Sharia Unveiled; Sharia Unveiled; 6/19/13)

 

Snopes (which is a Left orient fact checker) says the 30,000 guillotines story is false:

 

CLAIM:   The U.S. government has purchased a stockpile of 30,000 guillotines.

 

FALSE

 

 

In fact, Congress passed no such authorization (for the types of guillotines used for chopping off heads, anyway — smaller guillotines are used for mundane tasks such as trimming paper), and rumors about the military’s supposed stockpiling of guillotines for use after a declaration of martial law (in furtherance of a New World Order conspiracy) are nothing new — they’ve been around since at least as far back as the George W. Bush administration in mid-2008. This is the same old junk in a different package.

 

An indication of the credibility of this form of rumor can be gauged by noting that the illustration used to accompany its most recent outbreak isn’t a photograph of a real guillotine at all, but rather a picture of a satirical “Chanel guillotine” sculpture by artist Tom Sachs.

 

LAST UPDATED:   20 June 2013 READ ENTIRETY (U.S. Government Purchases 30,000 Guillotines: Has the U.S. government purchased a stockpile of 30,000 guillotines? Snopes)

 

Metabunk on Ted Gunderson:

 

A friend of mine commented on this tonight on FB. The current posting is from an anti Muslim site. The original story goes back to 2008.

It seems to go with FEMA camps, and boxcars with shackles and coffins.

Bunk links:
http://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com…vernment-recently-purchase-30000-guillotines/

http://educate-yourself.org/ps/confrimsguillotinesfortlewis28jun08.shtml

 

[Addendum by Mick for one-post visitors]:

Basically the debunk for this is that there is absolutely zero evidence besides various versions of the same story on the internet. It’s just an urban legend that has been around since the 1990s. Here’s an example from 1997:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/revalation_prophecy.htm READ ENTIRETY (Debunked: Government buys 30,000 guillotines; Metabunk; 6/19/13)

 

AND here is a well-reasoned article by Jack Mullen looking into the 30,000 guillotines and the retired FBI Agent Ted Gunderson that still includes a bit of a warning about government tyranny. I enjoyed this article because there is a clear distinguishing from unreasonable conspiracies and conclusions based on logical observation:

 

 

Over the past several years a growing number of stories refer to guillotines being seen at military bases and prisons and stories of guillotines replacing the electric chair in Georgia for use in corporal punishment. These stories are bubbling into the consciousness of Americans coincident with the transformation of the United States from a nation of Law to a nation of men and lawlessness.

 

Concern about guillotines is not a new topic on the Internet; articles concerning the subject go back to at least the mid nineties. One of the earlier concerns about guillotines was raised back in 1995 when Georgia State representative Doug Teper introduced a bill into the 1995-96 Georgia Legislative session under the heading of HB 1274.

 

The purpose of the bill was to:

 

To amend Article 2 of Chapter 10 of Title 17 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to the death penalty generally, so as to provide a statement of legislative policy; to provide for death by guillotine; to provide for applicability; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes. [1]

 

Recently this bill has been mentioned in the context of continuing reports of guillotines being seen on military bases, in railroad cars, and even outside of newly created secret prisons. The Georgia bill, however, was not passed in the form written above and according to the site deathpenaltyinfo.org, the only method of execution in Georgia is lethal injection. [2] As of now, I can find no information showing Georgia reconsidering the guillotine as a replacement for the current system of execution.

 

The resurfacing of this 1995 Georgia Legislative Bill is misinformation at time when real information is desperately needed.

 

Further interest in guillotines was ignited when the Southern Poverty Law Center apparently created a story stating whistleblower, and retired FBI agent, Ted Gunderson made a speech in 2009 to militia groups in Florida saying the Federal Government had 30,000 guillotines in stock and ready for deployment in Georgia.

 

A Tale of Two Gundersons

 

An alarming report was purportedly made by retired FBI agent Ted Gunderson in 2009 regarding the stockpiling of guillotines for use after civil unrest results in large numbers of arrests funneled to newly created FEMA camps. This report is one of the primary supporting pillars of information about guillotines in the alternative news cloud. The problem with this report is it appears to be made up. The origin of the report finds it way back not to Ted Gunderson, but to a comment made by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a group notorious for starting false rumors regarding patriot and militia paranoia. The late Ted Gunderson apparently published no information or articles regarding this information that I can find on the web or from his archived website here:

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20110326201213/http://www.tedgunderson.net/

 

Even if there were actually evidence that Gunderson did mention guillotines to a patriot group in Florida, Gunderson was long associated with fringe and many times evidence challenged reports during the course of his post FBI investigations. His statement alone would not be enough to conclude guillotines were being stockpiled.

 

Another report referenced in guillotine articles is a story covered by Pamela Rae Schuffert, at the American Holocaust Coming blog, regarding railroad cars with shackles being manufactured by Gunderson Steel Fabrications of Portland Oregon. Now called Gunderson LLC this railroad car manufacturer is part of a corporate conglomerate called the Greenbrier Companies. Not just boxcars with shackles, Gunderson is also said to manufacture guillotines in other articles derived from the boxcar story.

 

It is very interesting that two of the primary pieces of information regarding guillotines in America come from Ted Gunderson, former FBI agent, and Gunderson LLC, manufacturer of railroad cars and other transportation related products and machines. As far as I can tell, Ted Gunderson and Gunderson LLC are not affiliated.

 

 

Inside Sources

 

Many guillotine articles popping up on various websites such as beforeitsnews.com describe guillotines being seen by military insiders and sources wishing to remain anonymous. These articles talk about the militarys training on the use of the guillotine and how insiders discovered guillotines packaged and stockpiled on military bases.

 

The problem with these stories: a lack of evidence and the reliance on anonymous insiders as the source of the information. A quick search at beforeitsnews.com for articles about guillotines will generate a dozen articles featuring anecdotal information involving inside sources and references to Ted Gunderson and the Gunderson boxcar stories.

 

A recent article at the commonsenseshow.com also references Ted Gunderson, the Georgia legislation bill and inside sources. Again, nothing of substance to actually support any facts regarding real guillotines found or in use.

 

It is not unreasonable to fear the government of United States; there are many real indications the Federal Government is gearing to take some kind of action against Citizens, including building of apparent prison camps, stockpiling of ammunition, acquisition of armored vehicles, increasing numbers of armed agencies and more. Mass extermination is the signature trait of authoritarian rule.

 

According to a report by Larry Grathwohl, former FBI agent, The Obama linked Weather Underground Organization planned, in the 1970s, to incarcerate up to 50 million Americans with exigency plans to exterminate roughly half of that group. It is easy to visualize the highly efficient guillotine as a method whereby masses of people might be exterminated. Also, the real evidence of FEMA camps being constructed in the fashion of prisons camps around the country also lends emotional support to this idea.

 

One argument for the use of guillotines is based on the idea that after decapitation, the body remains intact for organ harvesting and other uses. Another argument is the intense fear and visual horror resulting from use of such medieval style execution. Imagine the fear resulting as a mass extermination via the guillotine is transmitted via television, video and the Internet around the world.

 

But, except in limited uses, I would argue mass extermination can and, if attempted, will be carried out easier, faster, and with much less work and human involvement using traditional means. The Soviet model of working people to death for example or the Nazi model of mass shootings and gassings. Perhaps a truly modern rendition of the Nazi model using bio-weapons that can kill tens of thousands of people in a matter of hours days or weeks.

 

As Americans wake up to the fact their Liberty and Justice has been taken away by a global oligarchy of corporate and banking interests intent on creating a one world government, it is easy to lose site of important issues that must be addressed if this plan is to be stopped. Focusing on guillotines and the fear created by these ideas is a way to distract people from the important work that must be done.

 

As this country falls deeper into a fully evolving tyranny, fear management will be of the utmost importance.

 

Plans are nothing, Planning is Everything Dwight D. Eisenhower

 

Americans have got to take back their local and regional governments and finally State governments. Downsizing these self important, self organizing, useless, lawless consumers of resources and lives should be among the highest priority. The Lawful Constitutional Bill of Rights has been lost as this nation of States self organizes into a Citizen sanctioned, collectivist, lawless pseudo democracy moving now into fascism and READ ENTIRETY (SLICING INTO CONSCIOUSNESS : GUILLOTINES; By Jack Mullen; The Government Rag; circa 2015)

 

Below is a Zero Hedge article critical of the existence of the U.S. Federal Reserve. This is a Conspiracy that I am absolutely on board with. So read and realize The Fed is an extra-constitutional organization that indeed can contribute to political tyranny in the USA.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-10/guess-how-many-nations-world-do-not-have-central-bank

 

– In the United States, we are told that we have a free market system. But in a true free market system, market forces would determine what interest rates are. We wouldn’t need anyone to “set interest rates” for us.

 

And why have we given a private banking cartel (the Federal Reserve) the authority to create and manage our money supply? The U.S. Constitution specifically delegates that authority to Congress.

 

It is not as if we actually need the Federal Reserve. In fact, the greatest period of economic growth in U.S. history happened during the decades before the Federal Reserve was created.

 

Unfortunately, a little over 100 years ago our leaders decided that it would be best to turn over our financial future to a newly created private banking cartel that was designed by very powerful Wall Street interests. Since that time, the value of our currency has diminished by more than 96 percent and our national debt has gotten more than 5000 times larger.

 

But despite all of the problems, the vast majority of Democrats and the vast majority of Republicans are not even willing to consider slightly curtailing the immense power of the Federal Reserve. And the idea of getting rid of the Fed altogether is tantamount to blasphemy to most of our politicians.

 

Of course the same thing is true all over the planet. Central banks are truly “the untouchables” of the modern world. Even though everybody can see what they are doing, there has not been a single successful political movement anywhere on the globe (that I know about) to shut a central bank down.

 

Instead, in recent years we have just seen the reach of central banking just continue to expand. – READ ENTIRETY (Guess How Many Nations In The World Do Not Have A Central Bank? By Tyler Durden; Zero Hedge; 6/10/15 6:00 PM)

 

Blessings,
Jyrki

 

JRH 4/22/17

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Why Does Negotiate-Peace-Obama Want Assad Out?


Obama Agenda Syria

John R. Houk

© September 5, 2013

 

[Editor: I tried to post this yesterday but was distracted by family matters. When you see words like “today” or “yesterday” keep in mind the post was meant for 9/4/13]

 

Has anyone wondered why President Barack Hussein Obama who in part won his 2008 election due to a combined Bush Derangement Syndrome and a promise of ending the Middle Eastern wars the USA has been fighting? I mean BHO has been the Messiah of Leftists that desire peace at any cost even if it destroys American Exceptionalism. Obama has been hot to attack Bashar al-Assad’s Syrian regime accused of launching Chemical Weapons against Syrian civilians more aligned to the Syrian Rebels than to Assad’s Shia-Alawite military dictatorship.

 

Frankly I have been leaning toward a U.S. attack against Assad even if it means Sunni al Qaeda-loving rebels used the attack to reassert a military advantage and remove Assad. Why? Because removing Assad throws a monkey wrench into the Iranian agenda to be the Middle East’s primary military hegemon. As a Middle Eastern hegemon Iran undoubtedly will make a play to destroy Israel. Israel’s destruction would rally even the Islam’s Sunni majority to be favorable to Iran’s Shia-Twelver Islamic minority.

 

Such Iranian hegemony would be unacceptable to the global seat of Radical Islam which is financed by Saudi oil multibillions of dollars. The royal family of the House of Saud seems to be unofficially divided between worldly-Western-minded billionaires and Radical Islamic Wahhabi loyalists. Wahhabism exists in Saudi Arabia because the House of Saud manages politics and Wahhabist Clerics run Saudi religious enforcement (The roots of Saud-Wahhabi alliance can be read HERE) which includes the operation of Islam’s holiest sites in Mecca and Medina. It is apparent to me the Wahhabists are gaining more and more influence within the Saud royal family over the last quarter century because of the international Saudi money being spent to spread Radical Islam throughout the Western world. For example a vast majority of Mosques built in the USA has NOT happened as a result of local Muslim money from so-called Moderate Muslims. That money has been supplied via the Saudi money coffers.

 

The Wahhabi Movement of Saudi Arabia over the years seems to have hooked up with Muslim Brotherhood networks in the West. A lot of that Saudi money has found its way through Muslim Brotherhood linked organizations masking as Moderate Muslims yet in reality are MB fronts for the MB agenda to spread stealth jihad in America. The Egyptian military crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood home in Egypt has placed a bit of a dent in the MB international agenda because their Radical Islamic focus now is to remain viable in Egypt.

 

So again! Why is anti-war Obama rattling swords to attack Assad’s regime? There is no doubt that Chemical Weapons were deployed on Syrian civilians. The doubt is was Assad responsible for the Chem Weapon attack or were the Syrian Rebels responsible?

 

I listened to Obama’s explanation of who the Chem Weapon culprits are in a Swedish news conference today. Obama’s reasoning runs something like this (off the top of my head): Everyone knows Assad’s regime has Chemical Weapons. Everyone knows that Assad’s regime has the military capability to launch those Chemical Weapons. Everyone knows that the Syrian Rebels does not have the military capability to launch a Chemical Weapon attack even if they had the Chem WMD. And everyone knows the civilians attacked with Chemical Weapons were Free Syrian Army sympathizers, so are the Syrian Rebels so vicious to attack their own and blame Assad?

 

I have to tell ya, this is good reasoning. At this point what is important to me is that Chemical Weapons were used in an act of war. It is irrelevant who used them. The fact they were used should broach an international outcry to step into the Syrian Civil War and remove those Chemical Weapons no matter who used them. In such a measure admittedly that would turn that war toward the Radical Muslim rebels. And as I wrote earlier a rebel victory – at least momentarily – would throw a monkey wrench into the Iranian hegemonic agenda.

 

Then I discovered an interesting thing that has not been widely disseminated by the American MSM or the mainstream conservative network known as Fox News. Or at least I have not read or listened to any news about this news story that should be widely disseminated. What is this news information I discovered? Are you saying in your mind’s eye, “Come on, out with it John?

 

Ok – Ok, I got you. Here it is. There is a news story from Associated Press correspondent Dale Gavlak who has written that Saudi Arabia had somehow funneled Chemical Weapons to the Syrian Rebels. The problem though is that no one taught the Rebels how to handle or use the Chemical Weapons. While in a Damascus suburb called Ghouta the Syrian Rebels unwittingly mishandled the Chemical Weapons and BOOM – Ghouta civilians were doused with Chemical Weapons. I found the story at a Conspiracy Theory blog called Zero Hedge. And Zero Hedge picked up the information from the Voice of Russia.

 

Admittedly the story might be Putin propaganda because Russia, China and Iran have formed a triumvirate of support for Bashar al-Assad’s Syrian government. BUT if there was even a minuscule amount of truth to the story the information would go a long way to explain peace-at-any-cost Obama wanting to engage Assad’s regime in war.

 

Let me say up front I do not believe Obama is a Muslim any more than I believed his assertion of being a Christian while attending Jeremiah Wright’s Marxist Black Liberation Theology oriented Church in Chicago. Yet old Barry’s upbringing included schooling in a must-be-a Muslim school in Indonesia while his Marxist mommy (very unflattering S. A. Dunham bio) was married to Barry’s BHO SR, BHO JR, and Frank Marshall DavisMuslim step-dad. This is not to mention that Barry’s Marxist daddy (OR was daddy really Frank Marshall Davis?) was also brought up a Muslim in Kenya. So I am thinking there is a lot of sympathy from President Obama toward Islam – particularly Sunni Islam which comprises around 90% of all Islam. Notably on Obama’s Middle East version of his apology tour included a speech at Cairo in which the Muslim Brotherhood was in attendance and in a stop at a G20 Conference Obama exerted Muslim respect to the King of Saudi Arabia by bowing down to him in front of the cameras that showed this symbolism to primarily Christian America. Also I could mention the scores of Radical Muslims (even if some claimed Moderate) that visited Barry Soetoroer I mean – President Barrack Hussein Obama at the White House.

 

Obama’s sympathies are with Sunni Islam. Wahhabi Clerics have declared Shiites as kafir (infidels or unbelievers of Islam) worthy of death. That would obviously include the Shia-Twelvers of Iran and Shia-Aliwites of Syria.

 

As I was writing this I haphazardly heard a Fox News report in which German Intelligence claims they intercepted a message between the Bashar regime and Hezbollah (or was it Iran to Hezbollah?) in which confirmation was heard that the Bashar military did commit the Chemical Weapon attack. Secretary of State John Kerry before a Senate Committee said that there was proof contradicting Senator Rand Paul’s assertion there is no proof of who used Chem Weapons in Syria. I was left with the impression the proof was Classified and could be revealed in Closed Chambers but not during a public forum.

 

So here I am after reading report that the Syrian Rebels bungled Chemical Weapon handling resulting in the deaths of hundreds of their supporters. I read the report on a Conspiracy Theory website which is always tainted with the specter of believability YET Zero Hedge quotes a much respected AP journalist in Dale Gavlak. BUT Dale Gavlak is quoted from a Russian source which I am fairly certain jumps when Vladimir Putin barks.

 

I suspect Obama will attack Assad. I suspect WWIII will spark. The unknown is Israel. Some suspect Obama’s agenda is Israel’s destruction. I’m not sure if it will work out that way with this WWIII spark. Perhaps Obama is just a charismatic speaking Leftist that is a Foreign Policy imbecile. Perhaps where the cards fall has multiple possibilities and God Almighty will direct how those cards fall according to His grand plan. Yup, I am a Right Wing Christian Believer in the Word of God that believes there is a Divine plan.

 

JRH 9/5/13

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