Fighting Moral Corruption


annunciation- HS Overshadow Mary. by Nicolas Poussin

John R. Houk
© January 26, 2014
 
The modern commonality of historians discount the practice (or lack thereof) of morality in a civilization for how it thrives or fails. Nearly all religions subscribe to defined morals for their adherents to guide their lives ethically. (That includes the religion I disparage the most – Islam) Historians first like to look at physical factors that lead to a civilization’s demise; e.g. economic circumstances pertaining to feeding the people, military conquest from a variant civilization, mass immigration of a variant civilization, changing climate or environmental circumstances affecting modes of living and so on. I contend the dilution of a civilization’s morals corrupt social mores leading to selfish feel good activity over the common good that unifies the people of a civilization.
 
Normalizing selfishness above communal unifiers will lead to an increase of violence which corrodes the ability to maintain a just rule of law. Religious faith that promotes a standard of ethics designed as a foundation for mutual good interactions in a society defines the lines of good and wrong actions. Religions with morality that condemn actions that cause social strife are religions that promote a thriving civilization. If the religion itself promotes a morality with a harsh retribution and too difficult for the adherents to subscribe, then groups of people will naturally begin to gravitate toward a religion or ethical philosophy that maintains a moral foundation that embraces a common mutual inner fulfillment.
 
Human nature is an imperfect persona. It is in a human’s nature to do that which feels good even if it harms others or self. When the standard of moral ethics imposes restrictions that a civilization has a common acceptance of then self-destructive tendencies are easier to be restrained and the exercise of a self-discipline moves one to choices that result not only in an inner fulfillment but also leads to social interaction that benefits a civilization rather than fracturing it.
 
I am an adherent of the Christian faith that believes in the primacy of Sola Scriptura. The Latin phrase Sola Scriptura essentially portrays the meaning that the Scriptures in the Bible is the foundation for matters of faith and doctrine in Christianity. Not all devoted Christians subscribe to Sola Scriptura as the essence of primacy of relaying faith and doctrine to Believers. Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and many Roman Episcopate type of Protestant Churches (e.g. Anglican-Episcopalian, Methodists, Lutherans etc. – A better Latin phrase for the authority of the Bible is Prima Scriptura implying the primacy of Scripture with the influence of reason and/or tradition) place tradition and reason over the primacy of the Scriptures.
 
The Latin phrase Prima Scriptura or Scripture Above All, is a bit misleading in application. ‘Prima’ indicates primacy and primacy indicates the sense of first among other authoritative options. In the case of the Bible it means Scripture is primary but it is interpreted through the eyes of human reason and human tradition. Hence there is a theological liberty to dilute the interpretation of Scripture to render the original intent of God Almighty to fit the reasoning of human reasoning. This relegates the Scripture into a state of evolution rather than the Eternal Divine Word of God. Meanings are changed to benefit the Progressive desires to transform civilization to human designs.
 
Progressives, Liberals, Leftist or whatever appellation that can be referred to as a mindset dedicated making humanism the primary principle of thought above that of the Creator. Those dedicated to humanism are well intentioned but are deceived or even self-deceived into thinking humanity is the beginning of sentience and the ending of creating a utopia for the greater good of humanity. Such a utopia will never find fruition because it is rebellion against the molder of the clay – the Creator – God Almighty. Does the clay destroy its Creator? It is impossible! That which is molded can be destroyed or remade depending on the designs of the Creator.
 
Thank God the Creator loves the human clay not to scrap it but rather to develop a loving being that willingly chooses obedient Sonship (okay with a hat tip to the ladies) and obedient Daughtership to the Creator spirit, soul and body of humanity. Satan is a lying rebel and was kicked out of Heaven for deceiving himself he could replace the Creator. I believe God used this unholy rebel with the design to separate the bad clay from the good clay of humanity. Adam and Eve’s fall by giving allegiance to Satan and hence turning God’s lease given to humanity to the ownership of Satan. The Earth and humanity became corrupted. Thank God the Father had a better plan than the Deceiver’s plan to replace God. God gave a Promise that the Seed of Woman would produce a Savior that would crush Satan’s head.
 
13 And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
 
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent:
 
“Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.” (Genesis 3: 13-15 NKJV
)
 
The “your seed” with a small “s” refers to the descendants of Adam having his fallen nature. The “her Seed” with the capital “S” refers to Jesus in Mary’s womb not their by human but by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit of God the Father.
 
Note that Jesus was a fetus at one time. Did existing as a fetus in the womb of Mary make Jesus a mere body part like an appendix, a heart, a liver, a bone and so on? In the days Mary, Joseph and Jesus walked the earth the Jewish Law interpretation of the Pentateuch did not look too kindly on an impregnated woman outside of holy wedlock. A Pregnancy outside of wedlock logically implied fornication, adultery or rape. Jewish Law demanded stoning for fornication and adultery. The penalty for rape depends if the woman is married or unmarried. Raping a married woman calls for the death of the rapist. Raping an unmarried woman the victim has a choice of forcing the rapist into marriage and either case the rapist must pay the father 50 shekels of silver (Source – WOMEN AND THE LAW OF MOSES: Laws Concerning the Violation of Marriage, Seduction and Rape (Deut. 22:22-30; Exod. 22:16); Christian Leadership  Center). Mary was not raped. The implications then were fornication or adultery. Not a pretty picture for Mary and the unborn fetus of Jesus in her womb.
 
God operated in miracles and alerted Joseph to the actions he should take pertaining to Mary and unborn Jesus. That action was NOT abortion.
 
In every way an unborn fetus has a God-breathed life awaiting the time to choose between Life in God or eternal separation from God in choosing Satan’s dominion. Choosing Life is always a witting decision. Sadly choosing eternal separation from God in more cases than not an unwitting choice based on believing the deceptive system of this world age controlled by Satan.
 
The act of abortion is an act of murder. Sanitizing abortion as expelling a lifeless fetus body part of a female is a deception of Satan to destroy the seed of Fallen Man before birth and growth allows the choice to become one with the Seed of woman which is Christ Jesus the Lord, the Savior and the Son of God.
 
Abortion is just symptom of moral failure that leads to the demise of a civilization. You can throw in the lifestyle choices described in Romans 1:
 
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ,[a] for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”[b]
 
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
 
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
 
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. (Romans 1: 16-32 NKJV)
 
Abortion and many of these vices have become sins that are separating humanity from God’s Deliverance via the Blood of Christ that transfers the unredeemed into the Redemption of the Kingdom of God’s dear Son. If you are one Delivered from the bondage of Satan’s grasp you have an opportunity to be active to share this Good News that Jesus has come to offer Salvation from Satan age of woe, sickness and depravity.
 
DO NOT CHOOSE an activism that operates in an un-Christ-like manner. It is un-Christ-like to use violence in the name of the Savior to force compliance through fear. For fear is a weapon of Satan incorporating an antichrist spirit using ungodly means to mistakenly think you are operating for the good of God.
 
AND YET rolling over to become a rug to be trampled upon is not a Godly choice either. As a people we can defend ourselves from ungodly people by using the instruments God makes available. In a nation of laws the Redeemed must use the law as the unredeemed will attempt to subvert the law. Only when a government becomes oppressively corrupt should armed violence be taken up. And prayer must be used to find Godly leaders to be anointed to dispense laws in a Godly manner not in an ungodly manner.
 
In America we still have the Liberty of laws to fight wicked agendas. There are many leaders that seek the wisdom of God. One such leader is Mat Staver utilizing the instruments of American laws to fight the people who endeavor to use American law to corrupt of the morals of American people. Below is an email from Mat Staver that uses the nonprofit organization of the Liberty Council to promote legislative lawmakers on the local, state and federal levels to work within the Constitution using the rule of law to keep America on a moral path rather than the moral depravity humanism unwittingly supports.
 
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By Mat Staver
Sent: Jan 22, 2014 at 11:27 AM
 
Psalm 139:9 says, “For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb.” (NAS)

God, the creator of the universe, created each of us in the womb.

Liberty Counsel affirms that life begins at conception. Preborn children are in fact children, not merely fetuses, and their lives should be protected from the moment of conception.

Yet in America today, many babies are being murdered in the womb because on January 22, 1973, the United States Supreme Court held that the 14th Amendment somehow suggests a woman’s “right” to have an abortion.

My update today is a call to protect the right to life of all Americans, both those who have been born and those who have yet to be born – Mat.

 
 Without the right to life, no other right has any consequence.

Yet each day in America, with the legal covering of the body of law that is anchored in the infamous Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision of 1973, over a thousand women will choose to deny the right to life to their preborn children.
 

In our lamentably callous and morally deficient society, many will do so unceremoniously, without grief, or without even suffering a sense of loss.

According to LifeNews, in the 41 years since the Supreme Court ruled in favor of abortion in Roe v. Wade, over 55 million abortions have destroyed the lives of unborn children.

For far too many American women, abortion has simply become a type of “birth control.”  Planned Parenthood and other aggressive pro-abortion forces have successfully reengineered many Americans’ thoughts about the taking of pre-born human lives.
 

Further, liberal “progressives” and the morally void media have demonized pro-life people and organizations, claiming pro-moral Americans are somehow waging a “war on women.”

++Turning the tables on Roe v Wade.

On January 13, 1984, President Ronald Reagan declared January 22, 1984, as “National Human Life Day.” In doing so, he issued a proclamation which read, in part:
 

“The first of the ‘unalienable rights’ affirmed by our Declaration of Independence is the right to life itself, a right the Declaration states has been endowed by our Creator on all human beings—whether young or old, weak or strong, healthy or handicapped”

We strongly agree with President Reagan’s proclamation and its role in promoting the annual March for Life each January 22.  Advancing the sanctity of human life is one of Liberty Counsel’s core missions.

Every year on January 22, in the March for Life, opponents of abortion march up Constitution Avenue to the Supreme Court Building in Washington, D.C.  Around 250,000 people have typically attended the march until 2010. Estimates put both the 2011 and 2012 attendances at about 400,000 each, and the 2013 March for Life drew an estimated 650,000 people.

As national polls show a steadily increasing majority of Americans opposing the Roe v. Wade decision and the so-called “right” to abortion it codified, the number marching in the annual event increases.  Even following Tuesday’s snow event in the nation’s capital, there will be a massive number of concerned Americans celebrating the right to life in the 2014 March for Life.

++Liberty Counsel is a deeply committed pro-life ministry.

Life has been devalued in many societies throughout history – including, lamentably, our own. The promotion of abortion as a personal “right” is one of our nation’s greatest failings.
 

Anita and I – and our entire Liberty Counsel team – are ardently pro-life. There is no wavering in our resolve to give every child a chance to live

Our hearts also go out to the women who have made the tragic decision to abort – and who are now living with heartfelt regret for that misguided decision. 

++We are actively engaged in pro-life activities and the defense of life every day of every year.

Here are just a few of Liberty Counsel’s initiatives that advanced the sanctity of human life last year…

 
o   After filing the nation’s first private lawsuit against ObamaCare in 2010, we challenged the individual and employer mandates, became the first legal group to argue the case at a federal court of appeals, and filed two briefs before the United States Supreme Court. We reargued the case at a court of appeals in May 2013, and filed a petition with the Supreme Court, challenging ObamaCare’s employer mandate and all mandates that force employers and individuals to fund abortions.
 
o   We entered into a strategic partnership with other pro-life organizations, including Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar of the TV reality show 19 Kids and Counting, to launch LifeUnited, a website that provides a wide range of resources in order to end abortion and help women and families.
 
o   We joined Personhood Mississippi in filing the Life at Conception Citizen’s Initiative, a proposed amendment to the Mississippi Constitution, which states, “The right to life begins at conception. All human beings, at every state of development, are unique, created in God’s image, and shall enjoy the inalienable right to life as persons under the law.”
 
o   We testified before the House Judiciary Committee hearing on “Mismanagement at the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice” (DOJ) regarding the DOJ’s politically motivated lawsuits against innocent pro-lifers.
 
o   We filed a lawsuit against the City of West Palm Beach, Florida, on behalf of two pro-life women who faced charges under a vague city ordinance for speaking to women outside an abortion facility.
 
o   We protected preborn children after an abortion clinic was closed in Orlando, Florida.  Liberty Counsel called on Orlando officials to investigate the clinic after representing a mother and deceased child who suffered brutal “care” at the facility.
 
o   We requested that the U.S. Senate pass the Unborn Child Protection Act, which prevents abortion twenty weeks after fertilization.
 
These examples of Liberty Counsel’s passionate commitment to advance life are just a few of the many pro-life efforts we undertook in 2013 – and are the kinds of initiatives we will aggressively undertake in our Silver Anniversary year of 2014.

John, when you stand with Liberty Counsel, you are standing for life and for the protection of the preborn! You are equipping us to fight for the restoration of those values that declare that every life has meaning and a purpose.
 

Life is NOT expendable. It is an unalienable God-given right, and Liberty Counsel will unfailingly fight for its protection!
Would you consider a special gift today that will help Liberty Counsel in our ongoing efforts to defend life and the rights of the preborn?  Every gift, no matter the size, will help us declare that life has inestimable value.

Go here now to support Liberty Counsel and advance life with a generous donation of any amount:   
 
http://www.libertyaction.org/7082/offer.asp

++ObamaCare is the biggest funding of abortion in history.

Tragically, President Obama and his signature legislation known as ObamaCare will do more to advance abortion services in our nation than any single act since Roe v Wade.

ObamaCare is an assault on human life, religious liberty, and freedom of conscience – and the federal government is requiring pro-life Americans to pay for it!

Most important, it is a vicious assault on the preborn and the taking of a life.  Please, help us in our multi-phased efforts to protect life and defeat ObamaCare with a special gift today:

 
http://www.libertyaction.org/7082/offer.asp


I am also calling for unified prayer this “Sanctity of Human Life” month and for the 2014 March for Life.  Please also pray that God will move on the hearts of our lawmakers to protect innocent human life.

God bless you,

Mathew Staver, Founder and Chairman
Liberty Counsel

P.S. Stand with Liberty Counsel today and stand for life! A donation of any amount will help fund our battles on behalf of life, liberty, and family in 2014.

Join us as we defend the defenseless!  Click here now to contribute to Liberty Counsel’s ongoing campaign to advance life:

 
 
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Fighting Moral Corruption
John R. Houk
© January 26, 2014
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Turning the tables on Roe v. Wade
 
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Liberty Counsel Action represents a rich heritage of more than three decades, dating back to the 1979 founding of The Moral Majority by Dr. Jerry Falwell. In 1986, Dr. Falwell launched The Liberty Alliance to expand the outreach and continue the impact of The Moral Majority. In 2004, The Liberty Alliance was renamed to Liberty Alliance Action, and in 2010 Liberty Alliance Action was renamed Liberty Counsel Action joining in partnership with Liberty Counsel, the nonprofit litigation, education and policy organization founded by Mat and Anita Staver in 1989.
 
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Natural Born Sinners


Hell or Heaven - Rom. 6-23

A Youtube friend sent me one of the most awesome sermons I have read for a person to choose Life in Christ Jesus the Redeemer-Savior.

 

Even if you are a Christian this is a good refresher of the reason you are Born Again. At the end of the sermon CBYakima has a video by TheAbaloneKid. The two may be one and the same person or two good friends. I am uncertain; nevertheless be sure to read and grasp the sermon that is a road map to Salvation in Christ.

 

JRH 7/7/14

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Natural Born Sinners

 

By CBYakima

Sent: 7/3/12

 

From Here To Eternity, my friend on You Tube.

By God’s command I send you the most important message you will ever receive in this life. Take it seriously. Choose the way of God this very day and receive Godly life now and forever.

It’s the heart condition that exists which is our problem that stops us. We are natural born sinners. Sinners by nature who have no connection to God who is our maker. It is our inherited condition. Because of this God is strange to us. Jesus Christ on the bloody stick (often called a “cross”) is strange to us! This is our condition. We are born separated from God spiritually. Thus God cannot be the leader in our lives. God cannot shed grace upon grace on us. God loves all humans but cannot act in our lives until by His grace and through faith God gives, we believe God, and then, by faith!, receive all God has for each of us in this life, which is in Jesus Christ.

Sin has deceived us, because it is just as natural to us as looking at our face in a mirror. We do not see what our heart, and mind and soul cannot see is our lost condition. Only God can wake us up. Only God can bring life to us from the spiritually dead condition and separation from God we suffer in our lost state. If God would appear right now God would be a total stranger to us.

The proof of our fallen and dead spiritual condition is in our sins. God cannot accept sins and receive a sinner for GOD is perfect and Holy. ONLY JESUS CHRIST CAN STAND IN FOR US BEFORE ALMIGHTY GOD! We are God’s creation. God has given us a way to overcome this condition. Like symptoms of a disease, our sin is the evidence of our lost condition. And even after we are “born again” we will sin because our old nature remains. But when we truly BELIEVE GOD and His WORD, we will be given a new nature through the Spirit of God who will come and reside in us and we will slowly but surely change and understand God more and more.

That’s why God has said we MUST be born again by Spirit and through His word in the Bible which is the truth. He is our physician. Jesus Christ has told us of our condition. Left unattended we will die in our sins and be judged one day by Him.

This is the TRUTH OF GOD, not our thoughts about life but His TRUTHS. Now they seem foreign to us.

In order to overcome it we must be “Born Again”! Jesus Christ is our only sure hope. He paid the price for our sins. He is God the Son with full authority to pay that price in His perfect life and sinless being. Under false accusations and judgment, HE DIED FOR US AND SHED HIS BLOOD ON THE CROSS THAT IS THE PAYMENT for all our sins. And He rose from the dead to guarantee us eternal life in Him.

By receiving this free gift of God’s grace is the only way GOD can have direct communication with us. This is how we become God’s adopted children: through Jesus Christ who is our Savior. He has saved us from the penalty of our sins. He has delivered us from death which is spiritual separation from GOD that already exists, into a new relationship, as children of GOD, FOREVER!

Pick up a Bible and reread the passages I quoted in my message. Read the other verses that accompany those scriptures. It will help you understand more.

I know it’s strange to hear these things. That is natural to our STATE OF BEING. Our life and the society around us encourage our attitude of being “better”, and “Getting more out of life”, “success” “YES WE CAN!” , and taking “our place” as another sucker for all the lost ways, apart from Christ, of the different world orders and their beliefs and philosophies. But we were made BY GOD a long time ago. God gave His human family LIFE! God owns us and all that makes up the earth and Heavens and Galaxies.

God is not mocked by the lost of the world! Mankind is already under judgment for sin. It turned it’s collective back on God a long time ago. And civilizations have come and they have gone into the graveyard of NO returns. And all types of people that make up nations and states are under judgment excepting those who believe on Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior which is who He is. Let me repeat a short but most powerful verse all should learn:

“For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16).

God has a ironclad plan for His creation. GOD WILL HAVE HIS WAY. God calls His human creation! That is God’s way. He is calling you. God is telling you the truth. ONLY JESUS CHRIST SAVES. You must believe WHY AND HOW. If you are destined to be a child of GOD through the Son of God, you WILL understand! GOD will open your eyes and you will see and understand by the Spirit of God. Only the Spirit of God can inform you by the Word of God which is revealed to this world, in the Bible, through Jesus Christ who is God.

May God bless you to be His. I am here to help.

Chaim,
AbaloneKid

 

VIDEO: This I Believe

 

Does God Make Wicked People Just too Damn them to Hell?


(Christ) Judge

John R. Houk

© June 21, 2012

 

Here is a query from a person who has listened to the question of Christian faith’s validity or has entertained doubt them self:

 

Subject: read and let me know ASAP

 

OK Bible Scholars. It’s been awhile since I posted a question. See if you can explain this.

Proverbs 16:1 says “We can make our plans, but the final outcome is in God’s hands.” Prov. 16:9 says “In his heart a man plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps.” Proverbs 19:21 “Many are the plans in a man’s heart, but it is the LORD’s purpose that prevails.”

[Editor: either the email was sent incomplete by the questioner or my lovely wife who forwarded this to me did not copy and paste the entire query she found on Facebook.]

 

[…] at God gives us free will. He doesn’t force His will on us; He wants us to choose to accept and serve Him.

I read tonight, but can’t find it now, where it says that God even created sinners for punishment. That seems intentionally cruel that God would create people, knowing He was doing it with the intention of purposely punishing them; as [if] though He created certain people as a “bad seed” so to speak.

Here’s my question: If He doesn’t force His will, then how do these verses make sense? These verses suggest that we choose a path, but God will determine a different one for us if it’s not His will. Or that we were created with a specific purpose, even perhaps an evil one, and no matter what we decide, He will make sure we fulfill that purpose.

Anyone want to tackle those questions?

 

So let’s begin to answer the query by looking at the New Testament rather than the Old Testament. The Old Testament relates to The Law as given through Moses for the Hebrew Tribes pointing to the coming of the Messiah that would be a better Prophet than Moses. As Christians we know that Prophet that Moses envisioned was Jesus Christ the Son of God who is the Redeemer not only of the Jews but of all who believe in the power of the Lord Jesus’ death, burial and Resurrection that redeems humanity by delivering them from the power of the dark age of Satan’s grasp; i.e. Salvation. That is the New Testament fulfilling The Law and being a better covenant and promise that brings Salvation to all humanity from the bloodline of the Jews. (Side Note: That is why the Jews are still special in the eyes of God. Salvation is of the Jews the Chosen People that were delivered by Moses who in turn bring deliverance to humanity from the slavery of Satan’s age through the Blood of Jesus.)

 

Let’s set the foundation from 1 Timothy 2: 1-6 and 2 Peter 3: 9-12.

 

1 Timothy 2:1-6 – NKJV

 

1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, (Bold Italic emphasis mine)

 

2 Peter 3:9-18 –NKJV

 

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,[a] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

 

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.[b] 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

 

14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

 

17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen. (Bold Italic emphasis mine)

 

Now let’s reprise the question:

 

I read tonight, but can’t find it now, where it says that God even created sinners for punishment. …

 

… If He doesn’t force His will, then how do these verses make sense? These verses suggest that we choose a path, but God will determine a different one for us if it’s not His will. Or that we were created with a specific purpose, even perhaps an evil one, and no matter what we decide, He will make sure we fulfill that purpose.

 

The Scripture that person could not recall is from the Old Testament and is probably Proverbs 16: 4 in the King James Version:

 

The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

 

I like this examination of verse 4 from GreatBibleStudy.com:

 

In the above passage, the phrase, “things for Himself” takes us back to the Hebrew word maaneh, which to answer to, or to give a reply to. What is being said in the first part of this verse is, “The Lord hath made all things to answer or give an account unto Him.” With that said, we could accurately read Proverbs 16:4 like this:

 

The LORD hath made all things to give account unto Him: yea, even the wicked, who think they are off His hook, have to give an account unto Him on the day of judgment.

 

Doesn’t that make a lot more sense? Now let’s put that verse into context with verses 2 through 5:

 

16:2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits.

16:3 Commit thy works unto the LORD, and thy thoughts shall be established.

16:4 [The LORD hath made all things to give account unto Him: yea, even the wicked, who think they are off His hook, have to give an account unto Him on the day of judgment.] (Bold Emphasis Mine)

16:5 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

Proverbs 16:2-5

 

And there you have it! God did NOT create the wicked so that He could punish them. He created all things to give an account unto Him, even those who think they are getting away with their sins now, are going to give an account to Him on the day of judgment.

 

Typically when such a Scripture is read as a stand-alone thought, the message seems pretty straight forward. That stand-alone message is that God made all that exists and He made the wicked (i.e. sinners) for the “day of evil” which is a reference to the Last Judgment. The Judgment Day for the wicked and devoted sinners will be an evil pronouncement for them.

 

But does God actually create wicked sinners just so there are some people to give an eternal spanking?

 

No!

 

Let’s read the context of Proverbs 16: 1-6 in the New King James Version:

 

1 The preparations of the heart belong to man,
But the answer of the tongue is from the Lord.

 

2 All the ways of a man are pure in his own eyes,
But the Lord weighs the spirits.

 

3 Commit your works to the Lord,
And your thoughts will be established.

 

4 The Lord has made all for Himself,
Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.

 

[Verse 4 GreatBibleStudy.com: The LORD hath made all things to give account unto Him: yea, even the wicked, who think they are off His hook, have to give an account unto Him on the day of judgment.]

 

5 Everyone proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord;
Though they join forces,[
a] none will go unpunished.

 

6 In mercy and truth
Atonement is provided for iniquity;
And by the fear of the Lord one departs from evil.

 

God did not make the wicked so much as a person chooses to live a wicked sinning lifestyle. I am not a Universalist so I don’t believe the wicked will someday make it to Heaven. I do believe the Blood of Jesus Redeems all who believe in Christ’s Resurrection and Lordship will be Saved even if it one’s dying breathe. AND YET, if one’s dying breathe is made out of insincere fear I also believe the wages of sin will be received for the one who believes one can fool God with a trickster lie. God knows the intentions and the state of every male and female’s heart.

 

So this is my stand to the query: “If He doesn’t force His will, then how do these verses make sense?

 

God does not force His Will. God holds one accountable according to the Redemptive Blood of Jesus or the refusal to be covered by the Blood of Jesus.

 

JRH 6/21/12

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SlantRight Editor: My wife has informed me there is more to the person’s query as I had suspected. I am following with this post without the full status of the query of Diana’s friend.