Medical Description of the Flogging and Crucifixion of Jesus


My lovely wife sent this Easter message to from Rev. Tony Cooke. Rev. Cooke was one of my instructors when I attended RHEMA Bible Training Center (now RHEMA Bible Training College) between 1982 – 84.

 

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Medical Description of the Flogging and Crucifixion of Jesus

 

Origin Tony Cooke

Email Sent 4/15/2017 10:03 AM

Excerpted From: The Expositors Bible Commentary

 

(Commenting on Mark 15:15) The Romans first stripped the victim and tied his hands to a post above his head. The whip (flagellum) was made of several pieces of leather with pieces of bone and lead embedded near the ends. Two men, one on each side of the victim, usually did the flogging. The Jews mercifully limited flogging to a maximum of forty stripes; the Romans had no such limitation. The following is a medical doctor’s description of the physical effects of flogging.

 

The heavy whip is brought down with full force again and again across Jesus’ shoulders, back, and legs. At first the heavy thongs cut through the skin only. Then, as the blows continue, they cut deeper in the subcutaneous tissues, producing first and oozing of blood from the capillaries and veins of the skin, and finally spurting arterial bleeding from vessels in the underlying muscles… Finally the skin of the back is hanging in long ribbons and the entire area is an unrecognizable mass of torn, bleeding tissue. (C. Truman Davis, “The Crucifixion of Jesus.  The Passion of Christ from a Medical Point of View,” Arizona Medicine 22, no. 3 [March 1965]: 185)

 

It is not surprising that victims of Roman floggings seldom survived.

 

(Commenting on Mark 15:17-18) The crown was made of some kind of prickly plant such as abounds in Palestine. This they pressed into his scalp. Again there must have been copious bleeding because the scalp is one of the most vascular areas of the body.

 

(Commenting on Mark 15:19) The mocking was followed by further physical violence. The blows hitting his head from the staff drove the thorns more deeply into Jesus’ scalp and caused even more profuse bleeding. They also kept spitting on him…

 

(Commenting on Mark 15:20) At last tiring of their sadism, the soldiers tore the robe from Jesus’ back. The fabric had probably stuck to the clots of blood and serum in the wounds.  Thus when it was callously ripped off him, it caused excruciating pain, just as when a bandage is carelessly removed. Jesus’ own clothes were now put back on him.

 

(Commenting on Mark 15:21) Men condemned to die by crucifixion were customarily required to carry the heavy wooden crosspiece (patibulum) on which they were to be nailed, to the place of execution. Jesus started out carrying his cross (John 19:17), but it proved to be too much for him.  The patibulum usually weighed thirty or forty pounds and was usually strapped across the shoulders. One can hardly imagine the pain caused by the rough heavy beam pressing into the lacerated skin and muscles of Jesus’ shoulders. The scourging of blood so weakened him that he could not go on carrying the heavy crossbeam.

 

(Commenting on Mark 15:24) Mark simply says, “And they crucified him.” What incredible restraint! Especially when one considers that crucifixion was, as Cicero said, “the cruelest and most hideous punishment possible” (In Verrem 5.54.165).  What took place physically is described by Davis (“Crucifixion of Jesus,” pp. 186-187).

 

Simon is ordered to place the patibulum on the ground and Jesus is quickly thrown backwards with his shoulders against the wood. The legionnaire feels for the depression at the front of the wrist. He drives a heavy, square, wrought-iron nail through the wrist and deep into the wood. Quickly he moves to the other side and repeats the action, being careful not to pull the arms too tightly, but to allow some flexion and movement. The cross is then lifted into place.

 

The left foot is pressed backward against the right foot, and with both feet extended, toes down, a nail is driven through the arch of each, leaving the knees moderately flexed. The victim is now crucified. As he slowly sags down with more weight on the nails in the wrists, excruciating, fiery pain shoots along the fingers and up the arms to explode in the brain—the nails in the wrists are putting pressure on the median nerves. As he pushes himself upward to avoid this stretching torment, he places the full weight on the nail through his feet. Again he feels the searing agony of the nail tearing through the nerves between the metatarsal bones of the feet.

 

At this point, another phenomenon occurs. As the arms fatigue, cramps sweep through the muscles, knotting them in deep, relentless, throbbing pain. With these cramps comes the inability to push himself upward to breathe. . . . Air can be drawn into the lungs but not exhaled. Jesus fights to raise himself in order to get even one small breath. Finally carbon dioxide builds up in the lungs and in the blood stream, and the cramps partially subside. Spasmodically he is able to push himself upward to exhale and bring in life-giving oxygen.

 

Hours of this limitless pain, cycles of twisting, joint-rending cramps, intermittent partial asphyxiation, searing pain as tissue is torn from his lacerated back as he moves up and down against the rough timber. Then another agony begins a deep, crushing pain deep in the chest as the pericardium slowly fills with serum and begins to compress the heart.

 

It is now almost over—the loss of tissue fluids reached a critical level—the compressed heart is struggling to pump heavy, thick, sluggish blood into the tissues—the tortured lungs are making a frantic effort to gasp in small gulps of air. . . . The body of Jesus is now in extremis, and He can feel the chill of death creeping through his tissues . . . . His mission of atonement has been completed.  Finally he can allow His body to die.
All this, the Bible records with the simple words, “And they crucified him” (Mark 15:24).

 

The article is excerpted from The Expositors Bible Commentary (Volume 8, pages 775-780, Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1984.)

 

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Blog Editor: Visualize the blood, pain and suffering must have felt by volunteering to freely give up his life that all who believe might have life. What it we believe?

 

Christ was Crucified and died the same day. Counting Crucifixion day, the third day arose bodily from the tomb after defeating Satan and taking hold of the keys of death and life. Christ’s new life is our life if only we believe:

 

But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. Therefore He says:

 

“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”[a]

 

(Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first[b] descended into the lower parts of the earth? (Ephesians 4: 7-9 NKJV)

 

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19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. (Galatians 2: 19-20 NKJV)

 

Jesus is Risen indeed!

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Bio for Tony Cooke

 

Bible Teacher and Author, Tony Cooke has been married to his wife, Lisa, since 1979. Together, they have been serving the Body of Christ since 1980.

 

Since 2002, Tony and Lisa have traveled full-time with an assignment of “Strengthening Churches and Leaders.” Tony’s passion for teaching the Bible has taken him to forty-six states and twenty-six nations.

 

In 2014, the website of Tony Cooke Ministries reached 230,967 unique individuals, many of them pastors, missionaries, and other church leaders in 219 nations and territories with encouraging and helpful ministerial resources.

 

Books authored by Tony include: Life After DeathIn Search of TimothyGrace: the DNA of GodQualifiedThrough the Storms, Your Place on God’s Dream Team, and The Work Book: What We Do Matters to God.

 

Prior to traveling, Tony was involved in pastoral ministry for more than twenty years, and served as an Instructor and the Dean of Rhema Bible Training Center. He also served for thirteen years as the Director of an International Ministerial Association.

 

In addition to being a 1981 graduate of RHEMA Bible Training Center, Tony studied Religion at Butler University and received a degree in Church Ministries from North Central University.

 

Tony, and Lisa reside in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma and are the parents of two adult children, Laura and Andrew.

 

The Radical Jesus: How Would the Baby in a Manger Fare in the American Police State?


You may have heard of “WWJD”. Which is an acronym for “What Would Jesus Do?” This interesting kind-of Christmas essay from John W. Whitehead might create a new acronym: How Would You Support Jesus in a Police State? (Perhaps HWYSJPS?)

 

The baby Jesus grew up in a no-tech yet harsh Roman police state. Whitehead speculates on the challenges Jesus would face in a high-tech police state. The overregulated police state that America has evolved toward, especially under the guise of America’s Leftist control. (But Whitehead takes a few stabs at issues Conservatives might be supportive of as well.)

 

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The Radical Jesus: How Would the Baby in a Manger Fare in the American Police State?

 

By John W. Whitehead

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“Jesus is too much for us. The church’s later treatment of the gospels is one long effort to rescue Jesus from ‘extremism.’”—author Gary Wills, What Jesus Meant

 

Jesus was good. He was caring. He had powerful, profound things to say—things that would change how we view people, alter government policies and change the world. He went around helping the poor. And when confronted by those in authority, he did not shy away from speaking truth to power.

 

Jesus was born into a police state not unlike the growing menace of the American police state.

 

But what if Jesus, the revered preacher, teacher, radical and prophet, had been born 2,000 years later? How would Jesus’ life have been different had he be born and raised in the American police state?

 

Consider the following if you will.

 

The Christmas narrative of a baby born in a manger is a familiar one.

 

The Roman Empire, a police state in its own right, had ordered that a census be conducted. Joseph and his pregnant wife Mary traveled to the little town of Bethlehem so that they could be counted. There being no room for the couple at any of the inns, they stayed in a stable, where Mary gave birth to a baby boy. That boy, Jesus, would grow up to undermine the political and religious establishment of his day and was eventually crucified as a warning to others not to challenge the powers-that-be.

 

However, had Jesus been born in the year 2016…

 

Rather than traveling to Bethlehem for a census, Jesus’ parents would have been mailed a 28-page American Community Survey, a mandatory government questionnaire documenting their habits, household inhabitants, work schedule, how many toilets are in your home, etc. The penalty for not responding to this invasive survey can go as high as $5,000.

 

Instead of being born in a manger, Jesus might have been born at home. Rather than wise men and shepherds bringing gifts, however, the baby’s parents might have been forced to ward off visits from state social workers intent on prosecuting them for the home birth. One couple in Washington had all three of their children removed after social services objected to the two youngest being birthed in an unassisted home delivery.

 

Had Jesus been born in a hospital, his blood and DNA would have been taken without his parents’ knowledge or consent and entered into a government biobank. While most states require newborn screening, a growing number are holding onto that genetic material long-term for research, analysis and purposes yet to be disclosed.

 

Then again, had his parents been undocumented immigrants, they and the newborn baby might have been shuffled to a profit-driven, private prison for illegals where they would have been turned into cheap, forced laborers for corporations such as Starbucks, Microsoft, Walmart, and Victoria’s Secret. There’s quite a lot of money to be made from imprisoning immigrants, especially when taxpayers are footing the bill.

 

From the time he was old enough to attend school, Jesus would have been drilled in lessons of compliance and obedience to government authorities, while learning little about his own rights. Had he been daring enough to speak out against injustice while still in school, he might have found himself tasered or beaten by a school resource officer, or at the very least suspended under a school zero tolerance policy that punishes minor infractions as harshly as more serious offenses.

 

Had Jesus disappeared for a few hours let alone days as a 12-year-old, his parents would have been handcuffed, arrested and jailed for parental negligence. Parents across the country have been arrested for far less “offenses” such as allowing their children to walk to the park unaccompanied and play in their front yard alone.

 

Rather than disappearing from the history books from his early teenaged years to adulthood, Jesus’ movements and personal data—including his biometrics—would have been documented, tracked, monitored and filed by governmental agencies and corporations such as Google and Microsoft. Incredibly, 95 percent of school districts share their student records with outside companies that are contracted to manage data, which they then use to market products to us.

 

From the moment Jesus made contact with an “extremist” such as John the Baptist, he would have been flagged for surveillance because of his association with a prominent activist, peaceful or otherwise. Since 9/11, the FBI has actively carried out surveillance and intelligence-gathering operations on a broad range of activist groups, from animal rights groups to poverty relief, anti-war groups and other such “extremist” organizations.

 

Jesus’ anti-government views would certainly have resulted in him being labeled a domestic extremist. Law enforcement agencies are being trained to recognize signs of anti-government extremism during interactions with potential extremists who share a “belief in the approaching collapse of government and the economy.”

 

While traveling from community to community, Jesus might have been reported to government officials as “suspicious” under the Department of Homeland Security’s “See Something, Say Something” programs. Many states, including New York, are providing individuals with phone apps that allow them to take photos of suspicious activity and report them to their state Intelligence Center, where they are reviewed and forwarded to law-enforcement agencies.

 

Rather than being permitted to live as an itinerant preacher, Jesus might have found himself threatened with arrest for daring to live off the grid or sleeping outside. In fact, the number of cities that have resorted to criminalizing homelessness by enacting bans on camping, sleeping in vehicles, loitering and begging in public has doubled.

 

Viewed by the government as a dissident and potential threat to its power, Jesus might have had government spies planted among his followers to monitor his activities, report on his movements, and entrap him into breaking the law. Such Judases today—called informants—often receive hefty paychecks from the government for their treachery.

 

Had Jesus used the internet to spread his radical message of peace and love, he might have found his blog posts infiltrated by government spies attempting to undermine his integrity, discredit him or plant incriminating information online about him. At the very least, he would have had his website hacked and his email monitored.

 

Had Jesus attempted to feed large crowds of people, he would have been threatened with arrest for violating various ordinances prohibiting the distribution of food without a permit. Florida officials arrested a 90-year-old man for feeding the homeless on a public beach.

 

Had Jesus spoken publicly about his 40 days in the desert and his conversations with the devil, he might have been labeled mentally ill and detained in a psych ward against his will for a mandatory involuntary psychiatric hold with no access to family or friends. One Virginia man was arrested, strip searched, handcuffed to a table, diagnosed as having “mental health issues,” and locked up for five days in a mental health facility against his will apparently because of his slurred speech and unsteady gait.

 

Without a doubt, had Jesus attempted to overturn tables in a Jewish temple and rage against the materialism of religious institutions, he would have been charged with a hate crime. Currently, 45 states and the federal government have hate crime laws on the books.

 

Rather than having armed guards capture Jesus in a public place, government officials would have ordered that a SWAT team carry out a raid on Jesus and his followers, complete with flash-bang grenades and military equipment. There are upwards of 80,000 such SWAT team raids carried out every year, many on unsuspecting Americans who have no defense against such government invaders, even when such raids are done in error.

 

Instead of being detained by Roman guards, Jesus might have been made to “disappear” into a secret government detention center where he would have been interrogated, tortured and subjected to all manner of abuses. Chicago police “disappeared” more than 7,000 people into a secret, off-the-books interrogation warehouse at Homan Square.

 

Charged with treason and labeled a domestic terrorist, Jesus might have been sentenced to a life-term in a private prison where he would have been forced to provide slave labor for corporations or put to death by way of the electric chair or a lethal mixture of drugs.

 

Either way, whether Jesus had been born in our modern age or his own, he still would have died at the hands of a police state. Indeed, as I show in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, what Jesus and other activists suffered in their day is happening to those who choose to speak truth to power today.

 

Thus, we are faced with a choice: remain silent in the face of evil or speak out against it. As Nobel Prize-winning author Albert Camus proclaimed:

 

Perhaps we cannot prevent this world from being a world in which children are tortured. But we can reduce the number of tortured children. And if you don’t help us, who else in the world can help us do this?

 

WC: 1495

 

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My Problem with Islam


Unholy Quran handbook of hate

John R. Houk

© February 18, 2016

 

I have often been called bigoted against Islam. In many ways this is an accurate accusation, but not for the typical reasons associated with bigotry. The primary reason I disparage Islam is because its revered writings such as the Quran, Hadith and Sira target Christianity with stealth vitriol. Islam dualistically calls Jews and Christians as People of the Book as if that is a heritage to be respected. Then the truth emerges that Jews and Christians are only allowed to live if those adherents agree to submit to the supremacy of Islam followed by theopolitical condemnations of Jews and Christians. I cannot do justice to the Jew-hatred in the Quran, Hadith and Sira because I am a Christian.

 

However I am quite aware that Islam directly calls the central articles of faith in Christianity as fake or cruelly made up to defy the original will of God (Muslims call Allah), hence ultimately Christians must be dealt with as infidel (or Kafir or Kufr or Kuffar – however you find the disparaging appellation written by Muslims).

 

Some of those central Biblical articles of faith is that Jesus Christ is the Son of God as much as He is the son of Mary (more Biblically as the son of Man). This denies the entire premise of God the Father emptying himself of divine prerogatives to be born as a sinless man in order to Redeem all of humanity from the spiritual Fallen nature bequeathed to the descendants of Adam and Eve. Thus Jesus the Anointed One (Christ/Messiah) is the very incarnation of the ONE God. That perfect man would and did offer Himself as a sinless sacrifice under the sentence of an unjustified crime.

 

This comes to the other pathetic denial of Islam. Islamic revered writings also claim Jesus never died on the Cross but rather died of natural causes. ERGO according to Islam Jesus never arose from the dead a fully alive person after a Crucifixion.

 

The next Islamic denial was also quite controversial in the early days of the followers of Christ; viz. the Holy Trinity under the concept that Jesus as the incarnation of the Father in union with the Holy Spirit are three individual persons that exist as ONE God. In the early days of Christian faith Christian theologians struggled with the logic of the Three in ONE nature of God.

 

Was Jesus fully and man and fully God simultaneously? Was Jesus both fully man and fully God but two separate beings? Did the Holy Spirit proceed from Jesus or the Father or both? Whatever the theological differences on God’s nature you should notice all the theologians believed the existence of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. TODAY the huge majority of Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and Protestants follow the Three equal persons are in ONE God theology. Islam says only Allah exists and faith has no place for three in ONE.

 

I suspect there are more issues at variance between Christianity and Islam however what I have just share is good enough for me to believe Islam is an antichrist religion that exists as a Satanic challenge to the ONE true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And that the Quran’s rescripting of the Holy Bible is a load of antichrist Satanic gibberish.

 

With that in mind I’d like to share an article that I first read on my Prophecy Update email that actually links to an article by John McTernan on the Rapture Ready website.

 

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The Koran vs. the Bible

 

By John McTernan

Date: Listed as “NEW” thus 2/2016

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The Koran directly attacks Christianity.

 

The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

 

“For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven” (Psalm 119:89).

 

There is a move in the United States and the entire Western world to block anything from being said negatively against Islam. Exposing Islam and its doctrines that are contrary to Western culture is called Hate Speech. In both Europe and Canada , Christians have been heavily fined and threatened with jail for speaking negatively about Islam.

 

Telling the truth accurately means nothing, as it is classified as hate speech. There are forces working in the United States to also promote that speaking against Islam is hate speech. Islam is being packaged and sold to the West as a peaceful religion.

 

Based on this concept of speaking out about Islam being hate speech, an examination of the Koran shows this book itself is hate speech, specifically, against Christianity. The Bible was written 500 years before Muhammad and therefore has nothing to say about Islam. In fact, the Bible only directly condemns pagan worship. It has nothing directly to say about Hinduism or the other ancient Eastern religions. By doctrine and teachings, the Bible disagrees with the eastern religions, but it does not condemn them.

 

The Koran directly attacks the major doctrines of Christianity. The Christian faith has several key beliefs. The teaching that is unique to the Christian faith is that there is one God who eternally manifests Himself in three persons: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This is known as the Godhead or the Blessed Trinity.

 

The second critical doctrine is that Jesus of Nazareth is the only begotten Son of God; therefore He is unique from everyone else. His Father was not human, but the holy God of Israel. The third key doctrine is that the Lord Jesus died on the cross to pay the penalty for man’s sin and then rose from the dead. There are other important doctrines, but these three really comprise the very heart of the Christian faith.

 

With this foundation, let us examine the Koran to see what it states about the fundamental doctrines of Christianity. A chapter in the Koran is referred to as Sura, so when reviewing the Koran the word Sura with numbers after it gives the location of the verse. I use the Koran online for research. This is found at: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/index.html

The Blessed Holy Trinity:

 

The Koran clearly states that Christians lie when claiming God is in the form of a Trinity. These are strong words; however this is exactly what the Koran states. The Koran claims that the Lord Jesus is only an apostle and for Christians to desist from teaching the blessed Trinity. In this same Sura, the Koran denies the Lord Jesus is the Son of God.

 

In one Sura the Koran attacks the very heart of Christianity by denying the blessed Trinity and that the Lord Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. It calls Christians liars and demands that the preaching of the Trinity and Jesus being the Son of God stop. The Koran identifies Christians sometimes as “followers of the book,” but when they proclaim Christian doctrine, the Koran then calls them liars. Muhammad writes that it is acceptable to believe the Bible, but not Christian doctrine!

 

The Sura shows this:

 

Sura 4.171 O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.

 

The Lord Jesus Is the Only Begotten Son of God

 

One of the central doctrines of Islam, as clearly presented in the Koran, is that God does not have a son. An exhaustive search of the Koran shows that in at least 11 Suras, the Koran states that God does not have a Son. This is clearly aimed at Christianity because no other faith claims that God has a literal Son. The Koran even states in Sura 9:30 that those that believe Allah has a son should be destroyed by Allah! The Koran is very clear that it was written to attack this Christian doctrine.

 

The following are the Suras claiming that God does not have a Son:

 

Sura 4.171 Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.

 

Sura 6.101 Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth! How could He have a son when He has no consort, and He (Himself) created everything, and He is the Knower of all things.

 

Sura 9.30 And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths;they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

 

Sura 10.68 They say: Allah has taken a son (to Himself)! Glory be to Him: He is the Self-sufficient: His is what is in the heavens and what is in the earth; you have no authority for this; do you say against Allah what you do not know?

 

Sura 17.111 And say: (All) praise is due to Allah, Who has not taken a son and Who has not a partner in the kingdom, and Who has not a helper to save Him from disgrace; and proclaim His greatness magnifying (Him).

 

Sura 18.4 And warn those who say: Allah has taken a son.

 

Sura 19.35 It beseems not Allah that He should take to Himself a son, glory to be Him; when He has decreed a matter He only says to it “Be,’ and it is.

 

Sura 19.88 And they say: The Beneficent God has taken (to Himself) a son. (91) That they ascribe a son to the Beneficent God. (92) And it is not worthy of the Beneficent God that He should take (to Himself) a son.

 

Sura 21.26 And they say: The Beneficent God has taken to Himself a son. Glory be to Him. Nay! they are honored servants.

 

Sura 23.91 Never did Allah take to Himself a son, and never was there with him any (other) god– in that case would each god have certainly taken away what he created, and some of them would certainly have overpowered others; glory be to Allah above what they describe!

 

Sura 25.2 He, Whose is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and Who did not take to Himself a son, and Who has no associate in the kingdom, and Who created everything, then ordained for it a measure.

 

The Lord Jesus Died on the Cross

 

The Koran literally says the Lord Jesus did not die on the cross. It claims that He appeared to have died on the cross, but He was not killed nor was He crucified. Allah just took Jesus to heaven. The Koran directly attacks the vicarious death of Jesus of Nazareth on the cross, and thus rejects His redemption of man from sin. The Koran goes on to state that on the day of resurrection Jesus Christ will be a witness against Christians.

 

The Suras from the Koran prove this fact:

 

Sura 4.157 And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa [Jesus] son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.

 

158 Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

159 And there is not one of the followers of the Book but most certainly believes in this before his death, and on the day of resurrection he (Jesus) shall be a witness against them.

 

According to Islam the worst sin a person can commit is shirk. This sin is also called association. This means associating Allah with a man. The very heart of Christianity that the Lord is the Son of God is the worst sin in Islam! According to the Koran, Allah forbids heaven to anyone who commits this sin and their abode is hell without any help.

 

The Koran and Islam by their very nature are anti-Christian, and therefore in our modern world’s way of thinking, it is hate speech. There can never be reconciliation between Islam and Christianity because the very heart of Islam is anti-Christian.

 

The Sura that shows this:

 

Sura 5.72 Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.

 

The teachings of the Koran are in stark contrast to the Bible. The Koran states that God does not have a son. The Bible states that all life is in the Lord Jesus as the only begotten Son of God. With the Bible, if you have the Son, you have eternal life: if you do not have the Son, then you do not have eternal life.

 

A person that does not believe this makes God a liar. The Koran written 500 years after these verses denies the Son, and therefore makes the God of the Bible a liar. The Bible is written in the positive stating God has a Son. The Koran is written in the negative attacking this fundamental doctrine of Christianity.

 

When Muhammad wrote the Koran, he knew exactly what he was doing. He was creating a new religion which rivaled Christianity. He wanted to make sure there was no connection between the God of Islam and the holy God of Israel. The warning of the Bible is same today as it was at the time of Muhammad:

 

1 John 5:9-13: If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

 

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

The Bible ends with a warning to those who tamper with it and remove scriptures. The warning is that God will remove that person’s name from the Book of Life which means removal from eternity in heaven with God. Muhammad wrote the Koran as a replacement to the Bible. In the Koran, he removed the Bible’s core beliefs; therefore, Muhammad’s name and those that follow him are removed from heaven. To God, it is extremely serious to tamper with the Bible.

 

Revelation 22:19 “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

 

In summary, the God of Islam has no relationship to the God of the Bible. In fact, the God of Islam is at war with the Bible as the Koran calls anyone believing in the blessed Trinity a liar. The very origin of the Koran was to refute the authority of the Bible and reject the holy God of Israel. The Koran and Islam, at its very foundation, is hatred of Christianity, and therefore have no place in America. The Koran, as given by Muhammad, is hate speech and should be exposed as such.

 

Note: America was the only nation in all of history that was founded on the blessed holy Trinity. There were three documents which created the United States of America . Most people are very familiar with the first and third documents: The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

 

It was the second document that ended the Revolutionary War and granted America[n] nationhood. The Paris Peace Treaty of 1783 formally ended the Revolution and granted the United States independence from Great Britain. This document can be found at:

http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/paris.html In a real sense, the United States formally became a nation on September 3, 1783.

 

When the United States became a nation, it was done “In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.” The preamble to this Treaty states that it is based upon the “Holy and undivided Trinity.” The concept of the holy Trinity is unique to Christianity. This statement means the United States was founded on the Christian faith. The Preamble is very short:

 

In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.”

 

The Treaty then ends just like the Constitution with a statement it is being signed in the “Year of our Lord.” The witnesses representing the United States were John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, John Jay and D. Hartley:

 

“… In witness whereof we the undersigned, their ministers plenipotentiary, have in their name and in virtue of our full powers, signed with our hands the present definitive treaty and caused the seals of our arms to be affixed thereto. Done at Paris, this third day of September in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-three.”

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The Reality of Islamic Legitimacy


Mohammed riding Buraq watches Red Demon tortures Shameless Women by their Breasts – Persia 15th Century

John R. Houk

© June 1, 2015

As an apologist for Islam the commenter aymedia (Ayad Amin) spins a refutation to the post “First Amendment Assaulted by Sharia in Garland TX”. Although my post was on May 4, 2015 aymedia’s comment was made on May 27, 2015.

Aymedia’s About Page on WordPress indicates his (perhaps her – not sure of language gender) focus is primarily on graphics design:

AYMEDIA; Think different and make a change.

YOUR BRAND in our vocabulary is not only about the visualization of your company’s values but rather a reflection of our unbound spirit and the search for perfection.

Ayad Amin, Graphic Designer

Ayad Amin’s defense of Islam indicates he is more than a graphics design entrepreneur but is also a devout Muslim although self-defined as a Moderate. I have to ask Ayad if his Islamic devotion considers the Quran to be the very words of Allah spoken from the lips of Mohammed to the ears of his followers.

Interspersed through Ayad Amin remarkably peaceful and even-toned comment are my thoughts in bold print.

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Ayad Amin Comment

May 27, 2015 at 4:10 AM

I was fascinated by your analogy of Islam and its origins and future revival. I consider myself as a middle class well educated moderate Muslim. I find many of your conservative intakes on Islam and the Koran to be legitimate.

From my own cultural experience within the Islamic society, I found that there is a deep struggle within Muslims derived from the notion of competitiveness between the major religions of the book, Christianity and Judaism. Hence being the perfect believer of God or Allah is the ultimate goal.

Muslims inherently consider Islam as the truthful and legitimate continuity to its predecessors, Christianity and Judaism. Islam considers the 3 religions as one, but conveyed through multiple Apostles. Islam came to being due to the notion that both previous religions have failed in certain points and Islam shall restore the right path.

Blog Editor Thoughts: Muhammad al-Bukhari is the person as the author of the most reliable Hadith. Bukhari’s Hadith is considered by Muslims as second only to the Quran in authority. Al-Bukhari records this tradition about the Torah (Old Testament) of the Jews and the New Testament of Christians:

Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461:

Narrated Ubaidullah:

Ibn ‘Abbas said, “Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah’s Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, ‘It is from Allah,’ to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!” (Emphasis Mine – Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 92: Center for Muslim-Jewish Engagement – USC)

The Quran is consider the words of the Muslim deity Allah spoken to Mohammed and eventually put on paper under a couple of Caliphs after some dispute about which Caliph’s Quran version was the best. Quran 4: 157-158 in three translations says this about Jesus Christ the Redeemer of humanity by His Blood:

4: 157

Sahih International

And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

Muhsin Khan

And because of their saying (in boast), “We killed Messiah ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah,” – but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of ‘Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]:

Pickthall

And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger – they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

4: 158

Sahih International

Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.

Muhsin Khan

But Allah raised him [‘Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.

Pickthall

But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.

So Mo told his followers that Jesus is not the Son of God but only the son of Mary, that Jesus never was Crucified to death, BUT that the Muslim deity took Jesus to heaven presumably before death. Ergo, when we Christians tell people (including Muslims) that Jesus was Crucified to death, placed in a tomb a dead man, but raised to life free from returning all the Divinity the Second Person of the Godhead gave up to be incarnated into Mary’s womb to be the perfect man to Redeem humankind from the fallen nature twisted in the first perfect man (Adam) whose human nature was twisted in rebellion to God Almighty. With no Blood there is no Redemption.

Here is the Good News according to the TRUE Word of God:

Christ’s Birth Announced to Mary – Luke 1

26 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”[a]

29 But when she saw him,[b] she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. 30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus.32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

34 Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”

35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

Luke 23

32 There were also two others, criminals, led with Him to be put to death. 33 And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left. 34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”[a]

And they divided His garments and cast lots.

44 Now it was[a] about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. 45 Then the sun was darkened,[b] and the veil of the temple was torn in two. 46 And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, ‘into Your hands I commit My spirit.’”[c] Having said this, He breathed His last.

52 This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before.

Luke 24

He Is Risen

24 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them,[a] came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb.3 Then they went in and did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 And it happened, as they were greatly[b] perplexed about this, that behold, two men stood by them in shining garments. 5 Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, they said to them, “Why do you seek the living among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, 7 saying, ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’”

The Road to Emmaus

13 Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was seven miles[a] from Jerusalem. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 So it was, while they conversed and reasoned, that Jesus Himself drew near and went with them. 16 But their eyes were restrained, so that they did not know Him.

20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him. 21 But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened. 22 Yes, and certain women of our company, who arrived at the tomb early, astonished us. 23 When they did not find His body, they came saying that they had also seen a vision of angels who said He was alive. 24 And certain of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said; but Him they did not see.”

25 Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” 27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

30 Now it came to pass, as He sat at the table with them, that He took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they knew Him; and He vanished from their sight.

33 So they rose up that very hour and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together,

Jesus Appears to His Disciples

36 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.”

46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise[a] from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. (Luke 1: 26-35; 23: 32-34, 44-46, 52-53; 24: 1-7, 13-16, 20-27, 30-31, 33, 36, 46-48 NKJV)

The only person killed here in this Good News is Jesus Christ the Son of God in Divinity and the son of Mary in humanity. BUT death had NO hold on a wrongfully killed perfect man and Jesus defeated Satan then took the keys of hell and of death and the power of the Father Resurrected Jesus bodily yet in a Glorified body. With the Blood shed on Calvary on the Cross, Jesus Christ Redeems all who Believe on the Risen Christ.

7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore He says:

“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”[a]

9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first[b]descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.) (Ephesians 4: 7-10 NKJV)

13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood,[a] the forgiveness of sins.

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled (Colossians 1: 13-21 NKJV)

5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:5-11 NKJV)

45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.”[a] The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord[b]from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear[c] the image of the heavenly Man. (1 Corinthians 15: 45-49 NKJV)

17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,[a] “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. (Revelation 1: 17-18 NKJV)

The greatest controversy is yet to come. Although Islam considers prior religions as rivals, hence they are the ONLY source of legitimacy to this new religion and so without them, Islam would have never saw the light.

Blog Editor: Ayad I understand you are trying to sell me on the Islam is peace concept in a civil manner. The thing is I don’t buy it. The Holy Scriptures of the Bible were written long before Mo was born. It is no controversy that God Himself through the Holy Spirit inspired men to prophesy the will of God which became recorded as Scriptures over thousands of years. Mohammed heard recite from an Angel – allegedly Gabriel – only in the span of Mohammed’s adult life. Granted those Mecca messages peaceful and tolerant; however the recitations Mohammed received from his Medina days onward followed by a life aggression, butchery, booty, sex-slaves and an evolved hatred of Jews and Christians are the works of an insane despot with military cult powers. Islam was born in the darkness and the only light it had in Mecca was wholly extinguished in the darkness of Medina thus illustrating an actual corrupt derivation.

12 But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. (2 Corinthians 11:12-15 NKJV)

23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.

26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. (Matthew 24:23-27 NKJV)

18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[a] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also. (1 John 2: 18-19, 22-23 NKJV)

It is clear as you mentioned in “The 6 Major beliefs of Islam, according to the Quran and Muslim tradition: Belief in the revealed books” which are the “Bible” and “Torah”. So for a Muslim, you are obligated to believe in these two books in order to be a true Muslim. If you go back to the beginnings of Islam. One will find great compassionate and brotherly references to the “people of the book”. Especially during the years of the prophet Mohammed and the 4 Rashidoon Khalifas.

Blog Editor: You see Ayad that is simply not true. Muslims may believe the Torah and the Bible are revealed, but the Quran commands Muslims to not trust those two revealed books because the Jews and Christians have corrupted them. The existence of a corrupted Bible is not true. The Bible warns us about false prophets who come around discounting and twisting God’s Word and promoting words that either add or say something different.

The Koraan clearly defines Jesus, Mary (divine virgin though not a prophet) and Moses as divine Apostles. I have never encountered a single Muslim in my life who would dare to insult those specific prophets. Islam specifically prohibits insulting any nabi or rasool of the Jewish or Christian faiths. To this day, it is a common cultural and religious practice by Muslims to visit the tombs of all Christian and Jewish prophets or Apostles in countries like Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Egypt, Jordan and Israel.

Whenever a Muslim denies that Christ is the Son of God that died on the Cross out of love to Redeem a humanity separated from God through Adam’s selfish choices that favored Satan – That Muslim has insulted Christians.

Whenever a Muslim denies Abraham’s son through Sarah – Isaac – is the son of Promise not Ishmael the son of Abraham through the slave Egyptian girl Hagar – that Muslim has insulted Jews.

21 And the Lord visited Sarah as He had said, and the Lord did for Sarah as He had spoken. 2 For Sarah conceived and bore Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him. 3 And Abraham called the name of his son who was born to him—whom Sarah bore to him—Isaac.

9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne to Abraham, scoffing. 10 Therefore she said to Abraham, “Cast out this bondwoman and her son; for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, namely with Isaac.” 11 And the matter was very displeasing in Abraham’s sight because of his son.

12 But God said to Abraham, “Do not let it be displeasing in your sight because of the lad or because of your bondwoman. Whatever Sarah has said to you, listen to her voice; for in Isaac your seed shall be called. 13 Yet I will also make a nation of the son of the bondwoman, because he is your seed.”

14 So Abraham rose early in the morning, and took bread and a skin of water; and putting it on her shoulder, he gave it and the boy to Hagar, and sent her away. Then she departed and wandered in the Wilderness of Beersheba.

22 Now it came to pass after these things that God tested Abraham, and said to him, “Abraham!”

And he said, “Here I am.”

2 Then He said, “Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.”

3 So Abraham rose early in the morning and saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son; and he split the wood for the burnt offering, and arose and went to the place of which God had told him.

6 So Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife, and the two of them went together. 7 But Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!”

And he said, “Here I am, my son.”

Then he said, “Look, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”

8 And Abraham said, “My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering.” So the two of them went together.

9 Then they came to the place of which God had told him. And Abraham built an altar there and placed the wood in order; and he bound Isaac his son and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched out his hand and took the knife to slay his son.

11 But the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!”

So he said, “Here I am.”

12 And He said, “Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”

15 Then the Angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time out of heaven,16 and said: “By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son— 17 blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.” (Emphasis is Mine – Genesis 21: 1-3, 9-14; 22: 1-3, 6-12, 15-18 NKJV)

CLEARLY God Almighty is referring to Abraham’s seed through Isaac as indicated by the clause that reads “because you have obeyed my voice.”

Prophet Mohammed’s wife Khadija, was a Nestorian [Blog Editor: Christians that believed that Jesus was of two separate persons; viz. “the man Jesus and the divine Son of God, rather than as a unified person.” Most Christians believe Jesus is One unified person as fully God and fully man]. The first writer of Koraan, Waraqa-ibn-Nawfal, his brother in law, was a Nestorian. Omar-bin-Khatab, the second Khalifa after P[rophet] Mohammed, when visiting Jerusalem after conquering the Holy Land, said “I will not pray inside your church, Only because when I die, people may convert it into a mosque”.

The major divergence in the path of Islam only happened after the end of the Rashidoon Khalifas [or Rashidun Caliphate or the first four Rightly Guided Caliphs]. Everything changed in the sense of moderate Islam. The long struggle for power, conquests and wealth of the new lands, had scarred Islamic practice entirely. The long political struggle with the Christian Byzantine Empire was a terminal factor for the Christian faith inside the Muslim lands. And this struggle continued by the not-so-famous Ottoman Empire with its ambitions towards Europe. And this particular ugly Image of Islam which was portrayed in Europe for centuries to follow to this day.

Although I am proud to be a Muslim. Still, I truly believe, and backed by historic evidences, that without the major role of Christianity and Judaism and their scholars and contributions to civil society of Islam, Islam was never to be an empire. If Islam was to stay within the boundaries of the Arabian Desert and had not reached the outposts of the Christian civilization in North Africa, Syria, the Holy land, Mesopotamia and Persia, it would not have continued to this day.

My conclusion is that the tolerance of true Islam to the “people of the book” was behind its survival and this is the irony.

Blog Editor: The “true Islam to the ‘people of the book’” is represented by the actions that every devout Muslim believes is the so-called Prophet Mohammed. How tolerant was Mohammed after fleeing to Medina evolved into domination and conquest of the Arabia Peninsula?

Muhammad’s Actions

Now, from the Muslim perspective using their own writings, let us examine in more detail some specific actions that Muhammad ordered. There are more incidents we could reference (see Appendix B), but for the sake of time and space we have to limit the amount of detailed information. This additional material is presented to facilitate honest evaluation and judgment of Muhammad himself, because it is only by his actions that he can and should be judged.

The following 14 events and incidents (occurring in the last years of Muhammad’s life) will be examined:

1) The killing of Abu Afak.

2) The killing of Asma Marwan.

3) Attack upon the Banu Qaynuqa Jews.

4) The killing of Kab Ashraf.

5) The killing of Abu Rafi.

6) The killing of Ibn Sunayna.

7) Attack against the Banu Nadir Jews.

8) The killing of the Shepherd.

9) Massacre of the Qurayza Jews.

10) The torture killing of Kinana.

11) The killing of a slave Wife and Mother.

12) The slaying of an old woman from Fazara.

13) The killing of Abdullah Khatal and his Daughter.

14) The attack upon Tabuk.

The details of 1-14 can be read at the WikiIslam article (Islam Undressed: Muhammad’s Actions, Speaking Louder than Words; By Vernon Richards; WikiIslam; last modified 12/21/12 09:22 by Sahab.)

Ayad Amin
Architect and Scholar
alhity@gmail.com

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Who do you Feed?


Jesus - the Word - is Bread of Life

John R. Houk

© April 24, 2015

 

My lovely wife shared a jpg that has an amazing Cherokee parable of wisdom on it. BUT before that parable I want to share the train of thought the parable brought to mind.

 

So let me start with the first man Adam. Without going into all the relevant data on how Adam sold out his allegiance and devotion to the Creator of all that exists allow me to begin with the fact that Adam rejected the Command of God not to eat the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. As soon as Adam participated in that consuming fruit from that tree he transferred the authority given to him by the Creator to the Father of Lies – Satan – who had disguised himself as an enticing serpent. Once that authority was transferred to Satan then Adam died just as God told him he would. Death in this sense was eternal separation from God Almighty’s constant Presence and taking the nature of the Satan – Liar, Covetous, Murder, Selfishness, and Wicked Desires and so on. This is known as the Fallen Nature that Adam has bequeathed in spiritual DNA to all his descendants.

 

Thank God provided a Promise that bondage to a sin nature would not remain forever:

 

14 So the Lord God said to the serpent:

 

“Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”
(Bold Text Mine – Genesis 3: 14-15
NKJV)

 

In God’s curse to Satan for instigating Adam’s Fall is a Promise that a child born of a woman will grow up and stomp on Satan’s head. Christians know this Promise is of a Savior to restore humanity to the Presence of God ending the eternal-death separation.

 

Fast forwarding to the Savior Jesus Christ the son of Mary in the flesh and the Son of God in Divinity. Jesus paid the debt for Adam’s betrayal with his sinless life. God the Father raised His Son to life after three days in a tomb in a new glorified nature which transform all humanity who simply trust in the Resurrection and live the Righteous life taught by Jesus during three years of pre-Resurrection Ministry of telling humanity the kingdom of God is near.

 

Although finding Jesus oft leads to a release of ecstatic joy realizing the Presence of God is a mere belief away, one finds out soon enough that the only thing Redeemed is one’s human nature. A Believers’ inner man or inner woman becomes a New Creation in Christ Jesus. Christ has not yet Redeemed the earth and physical existence. For humanity that physical nature is the Old Man (or Woman) that the New Man can dominate through faith in Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit. There is only one way for the New Man to dominate and essentially eliminate the Old Man. That is to feed the New Man on the Presence of God in Spirit and Truth. Truth is the Word of God which is Jesus Christ the Risen Savior to those who believe.

 

1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend[a] it.

 

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1: 1-5, 14 NKJV)

 

21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness. (Ephesians 4: 21-24 NKJV)

 

The point I am working up two Redeemed humanity contends with two inner natures. One is bad and one is good. The Word of God says the Redeemed inner New Man overcomes and does away with the Old Man. BUT that is not an automatic. The automatic is only realized at Christ’s Second Coming. Until then Righteousness triumphs over unrighteousness by practicing Righteousness. The Cherokee Wolf Parable is a good clue for Christians to live Righteousness.

 

JRH 4/24/15

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13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

 

21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

 

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. (Romans 7: 13-25 NKJV)

 

Feed Righteousness and you will be Righteous

 

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

 

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6: 15-23 NKJV)

Islam’s Allah is NOT the same as Christianity’s GOD Almighty


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Commentary on Shamim Masih: ‘Seeking for Peace Place’

John R. Houk

© February 22, 2015

 

 

On February 16 I posted Shamim Masih’s report on the goings on in Pakistan during the UN’s International Week on Interfaith Harmony. I had a lengthy enough intro that I gave the intro its own name “First Thoughts on ‘Strive for Peace and Harmony’”.

 

Shamim was quite favorable of the UN initiative even to the point of participating in the week’s events. I on the other hand asserted that I was quite distrustful of anything coming from the UN and exposed the whole event was a deceptive initiative in which many of the original sponsors were Radical Muslims pushing an Islamic Supremacist goal pretending to be friendly to Christianity. However, if one reads the entirety of the Islamic document promoting interfaith harmony as long as it is clear the Allah of Islam is supreme and Jesus is a mere prophet rather than the Son of God whose Blood has redeemed all humanity from its fallen nature if only they believe on the Resurrection power of Jesus Christ.

 

In this report entitled “Seeking for Peace Place,” Shamim is sticking to his guns (so-to-speak) about Islam and Christianity having the same concepts of peace that interfaith harmony will save the world interfaith strife that exists between the proponents of Islam and the proponents of Christianity:

 

Muslims and Christians together make up well over half of the world’s population. Without peace and justice between these two religious communities, there can be no meaningful peace in the world. The future of the world depends on peace between Muslims and Christians. The basis for this peace and understanding already exists. It is part of the very foundational principles of both faiths: love of the One God, and love of the neighbor. These principles are found over and over again in the sacred texts of Islam and Christianity. The Unity of God, the necessity of love for Him, and the necessity of love of the neighbor is thus the common ground between Islam and Christianity.” (Bold text mine)

 

Does peace and understanding truly already exist between Islam and Christianity? Is love of the “One God” and love of neighbor truly the same thing in Islam and Christianity?

 

And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.” (Quran – Surah 29:46; Sahih International translation)

 

Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans** [before Prophet Muhammad] – those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve. (Quran – Surah 2:62; Sahih International translation)

 

[**Here are Islamic sources pertaining to the Sabeans or Sabians of the Quran: HERE and HERE.]

 

These surahs in the Quran appear to corroborate Shamim’s point, right? Then what about this?

 

And whoever desires other than Islam as religion – never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers. (Quran – Surah 3:85; Sahih International translation)

 

They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. Say, “Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?” And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent. (Quran – Surah 5:17; Sahih International translation)

 

72 They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary” while the Messiah has said, “O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Indeed, he who associates others with Allah – Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.

 

73 They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah is the third of three.” And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. (Quran – Surah 5:72-73; Sahih International translation)

 

The first two surahs affirm that the God of the Bible and the Allah of the Quran are the same as well as the God worshipped by Jews, Christians and Sabeans is the same in Oneness as Allah.

 

The last three surahs say that “Allah” – meaning God Almighty – is not a triune God because this concept destroys the Oneness of God. AND that since there is no Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit – three persons are ONE God in unity) Jesus is neither God nor the Son of God. AND those that think in the way of the Christian Trinity will be punished severely in Hell.

 

Hence I can’t agree with Shamim that there can be interfaith harmony between Islam and Christianity. In full disclosure the Bible tells us those who reject Jesus as God and the Son of God will find their part with Satan, the Antichrist and the False Prophet in Hell’s Lake of Fire.

 

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but[a]have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

 

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.” (Bible – John 3: 14-21 NKJV)

 

10 The devil [Satan], who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[aa] the beast [Antichrist] and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Bible – Revelation 20:10 NKJV)

 

6 And He said to me, “It is done![a] I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things,[b] and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving,[c] abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Bible – Revelation 21:6-8 NKJV)

 

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,[a] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.[b] 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. (Bible – Revelation 20: 12-15 NKJV)

 

Earlier I quoted the Quran on surahs that completely contradict each other on an Islamic sense of brotherly love. You have to know that in Islam, even if two things are contradictory in the Quran, if it is in the Quran it is true even it is contradictory. This is possible via two Islamic concepts: Dualism and Abrogation.

 

But not all verses in the Qur’an have the same weight in assessment. Unlike the Old or New Testaments, the Qur’an is not organized by chronology but rather by size of chapters.[7] Even within chapters, chronology can be confused. In sura (chapter) 2, for example, God revealed verses 193, 216, and 217 to Muhammad shortly after he arrived in Medina. God only revealed verses 190, 191, and 192 six years later.[8] This complicates interpretation, all the more when some verses appear to contradict.

 

Abrogation in the Qur’an

 

The Qur’an is unique among sacred scriptures in accepting a doctrine of abrogation in which later pronouncements of the Prophet declare null and void his earlier pronouncements.[9] Four verses in the Qu’ran acknowledge or justify abrogation: … READ ENTIRETY (Peace or Jihad? Abrogation in Islam; By David Bukay; Middle East Quarterly; Fall 2007, pp. 3-11)

 

Because of Dualism and Abrogation the only thing close to a Golden Rule in Islam is between fellow Muslims. And ever since the fall of Caliph Ali (4th Rightly Guided Caliph, Son-in-Law and cousin Mo – neutral, favorable and negative). Various Muslim groups claiming legitimacy have been killing each other for centuries. In relation to non-Muslims, Islam has no Golden Rule.

 

Islam’s treatment of us can be found in one word–kafir. The Koran says that a kafir (unbeliever) can be robbed, killed, tortured, mocked, insulted, beheaded, raped, crucified and on and on. The Hadith and the Sira agree with the Koran. Every single reference to the kafirs is negative, offensive and hateful.

 

The word “kafir” illustrates both of political Islam’s principles–submission and duality. The Trilogy (Koran, Sira and Hadith) says that every kafir in the world must submit to political Islam.

 

The Koran also establishes dualism with its ethical system. A Muslim is not to kill another Muslim; a kafir may be killed, or not. A Muslim is not to lie to another Muslim; a kafir may be deceived or not. And so on. Islam has one set of ethics for Muslims and another set of ethics for the kafir–dualistic ethics.

 

The later political Koran written in Medina frequently contradicts the early religious Koran written in Mecca. The Koran gives a rule for removing the contradiction by saying that the later Koran “abrogates” the early Koran. … READ ENTIRITY (Golden Rule Islam; Bill Warner; Political Islam; 1/10/08)

 

Other religions all something similar to the Christian Golden Rule, but it is Christian theology taken from the Holy Bible that defines the Golden Rule and how to treat your neighbor of any faith.

 

11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him! 12 Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets. (Bible – Matthew 7:11-12 NKJV)

 

29 Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’[a] This is the first commandment.[b] 31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no other commandment greater than these.” (Bible – Mark 12:29-31 NKJV)

 

Take note that the Lord Jesus Christ quotes the classic Jewish Shema from Mark 12:29 and yet He also asserts that He is the Son of God which is a person of the ONE God Trinity. I believe I can that Islam’s is NOT the same as Christianity’s God Almighty.

 

JRH 2/21/15

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Seeking for Peace Place

 

By Shamim Masih

Sent: 2/21/2015 12:55 AM

 

ISLAMABAD: According to PCP reports, Pakistani Christian refugees [Snapshot of Pakistani Christians in Bangkok] gathered in Ayana Hotel, Bangkok and appealed UNHCR to provide them humanitarianChurchexile.JPG aid according to UN Charter. The gathering was organized by the Urdu Church in Hands of God, headed by Pastor Papa Thongchai. They demanded US and EU to open their doors for persecuted Pakistani Christian refugees as they provide human rights to Muslims refugees in other countries. The PCP chief urged UNHCR and IRC to provide humanitarian aid to Pakistani Christian refugees in Thailand, Sri Lanka and Hong Kong and expedite hearing of their asylum cases according to the timeframe of refugee commission charter. Unsurprisingly, Pakistan’s Christians see themselves as victims of religious persecution. Some speak dramatically of Christian genocide. Shia Hazaras are fleeing Balochistan, and [the] same [for] Ahmadis. This is very unfortunate that Christian countries like Australia, EU and others [are] welcoming Hazaras and Ahmadis but they have closed their doors for Pakistani Christians. Australia has reportedly granted resident visas to 10, 000 Hazara families in 2014 [alone] but they are not ready to grant visa to any Pakistani Christian.

 

Pakistan has around 180 million people and there are around 20 million Christians. Though there [has been] no census for many years, but local churches and other organizations estimated this figure. The percentage of the Pakistan population is a bit difficult to pin down. The BBC claims 1.6 % in 2013, Gatestone Institute lists 3% in 2014 and PCP quotes more than 10% of the total. A majority of them are poor and living in the slum areas and [the] outskirts of the cities. Christians are the minority in Pakistan in which overwhelmingly the Muslims majority treats the minority as barely tolerable pariah. Muslims and Christians together make up well over half of the world’s population. Without peace and justice between these two religious communities, there can be no meaningful peace in the world. The future of the world depends on peace between Muslims and Christians. The basis for this peace and understanding already exists. It is part of the very foundational principles of both faiths: love of the One God, and love of the neighbor. These principles are found over and over again in the sacred texts of Islam and Christianity. The Unity of God, the necessity of love for Him, and the necessity of love of the neighbor is thus the common ground between Islam and Christianity. Unfortunately Muslims not only in Pakistan but all around the world do not tolerate or accept other faiths. The problem is Muslims want equal rights where they are in minority and they have it in [the] EU and USA but they are not ready to deliver where they are in power.

 

There is another issue within [the] Christian community in Pakistan. Mostly living below poverty line and there are a few running non-profit organizations and earning handsome funds through different channels. But it is seen during the last decade that most of them are wasting those funds to achieve their personal goals. Like in politics, many of them are depositing heavy funds in political parties, like Pakistan Tahreek-e-Insaf, Pakistan Muslim League, PML – N, PML-Q, APML, MQM, JUI and JI. Most recently human rights activists from the capital reportedly has spent heavy funds to gain Senator-Ship from his parent party, getting his vote registration from the capital to KPK but couldn’t manage to even reach to the interview. He has reportedly dropped huge funds to [the] party for his personal gain. Earlier many others have wasted money for Provisional and National Assembly seats. Now many are planning to sit in with Muslim political parties. This action must be discouraged.

 

Basharat Khokhar worked hard to save the lives of 18 Christians’ blasphemy accused in the capital including two pastors. Before the Christmas celebrations last year, Pastor Arif Peera and 6 other Christian and 11 other Christians were accused of blasphemy under FIR – 596/14 under section 295-B, 6/7ATA and FIR – 888/14 under section 295-B, 354, 452, 148 and 149 were registered respectively. With the cooperation of the local administration, Basharat Khokhar has been able to set free the blasphemy accused. One thing is to remember, this man of God, does not run any NGO and [is] not asking for donations from [any] national and international donors but [is] doing his work to save the skin of Christians of this country. On the other hand there are many, collecting millions of dollars but on [the] ground [their] work is zero. But they are so much active on facebook and other social media. Let’s think seriously and stop welcoming these hypocrites.

 

Since President Musharaf’s regime, [the] electoral system for minorities is turned to selection instead [of] election. The electoral system for minorities is proportional while for majority it is democratic. This is another kind of discrimination towards minorities of this country. Many minority representatives have requested the Supreme Court of Pakistan to restore the separate election and duel vote rights. This is already been adapted to Kashmiris living in this country. These kinds of actions from time to time by the government have created insecurity among [the] minorities of the country. Recently on Jan 30, Feb 13 and Feb 18, three suicide bombers have targeted three Shia mosques, where many Shias were killed and injured. The government said it will issue gun licenses for worshiper defenders. Razor wire, security guards, and gun licenses cannot assure the safety of the Shia, Christian, Hindu and Ahmadi. Most important is to educate the upcoming generations of the country. All faiths are entitled to equal respect, legal rights and privileges otherwise the things will remain same.

Be Blessed,

Shamim Masih

 

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Islam’s Allah is NOT the same as Christianity’s GOD Almighty

Commentary on Shamim Masih: ‘Seeking for Peace Place’

John R. Houk

© February 22, 2015

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Seeking for Peace Place

 

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Links in Shamim’s report and text enclosed by brackets are by the Editor.

 

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OsamaArshad vs. Dajjal: Is Islam Evil or Good?


Mo Ingredients Creating Islam

Intro to ‘OsamaArshad vs. Dajjal’
John R. Houk
© November 29, 2014
 
In examining some the comment from my blog NCCR I discovered some interchange of dialogue between a Counterjihad writer and a Muslim apologist. The interchange resulted from a cross post ascribed to the pseudonym writer known as Dajjal and the Muslim calling himself OsamaArshad. This Osama dude who so bravely defends Islam while erroneously claiming Muslim assertions that the real Holy Book – the Bible, points to old Mo. When Dajjal shuts him down, Osama calls Dajjal a dreamer propagating deception. AND then this member of the religion of peace challenges Dajjal to a battle to settle is right or wrong. For me that implies a threat of violence. Also interestingly, OsamaArshad does not provide a link as to his identity and that is okay because I set up my comments to hear from dissenters of my posts and cross posts. BUT some of Osama’s comments are linked: http://deleted/.
 
Yeah, if you click that link my browser takes me to a page that says “This webpage is not available”. Underneath that unsurprising message is this message if you click “details”:
 
The server at deleted can’t be found, because the DNS lookup failed. DNS is the network service that translates a website’s name to its Internet address. This error is most often caused by having no connection to the Internet or a misconfigured network. It can also be caused by an unresponsive DNS server or a firewall preventing Google Chrome from accessing the network.
 
Did you mean http://deleted.com/?
 
Guess what? “Deleted.com” is an actual webpage. BUT I am certain the Muslim so full of integrity – OsamaArshad – did not intend for web-users to go to that page. Here is the top advertising description of that page:
 
Deleted.com is your premier resource for information relating to recovering your lost data, whether it be on your harddrive or on backup media such as CDs. Have you lost important data? Do not worry, there are many invaluable tools available online that are very effective in data recovery and all the quality ones can be found here. We feature product reviews, hints and tips on recovery. Enjoy your stay on deleted.com!
 
Now I can’t tell you if Osama purposefully linked his name to “http://deleted/” or not; however I think it is safe to discern that either Osama had his website, blog or avatar page deleted (probably by WordPress) OR the brave member of the mujjahadeen of Islam fabricated the link for us gullible non-Muslims.
 
The dialogue between OsamaArshad and Dajjal begins with a relatively short sentence from Osama informing Dajjal that the Islamic sources are authentic implying they are beyond reproach. Then the dialogue is off and running.
 
I am going to begin with Osama’s less than truthful assertion about Islam followed by Dajjal’s response followed again with the back and forth. If you wish to read all the comments for the April 12, 2014 post entitled “Let’s Anger CAIR and Offend Muslims by Exposing Them,” simply click the link. Osama and Dajjal’s comments are dated November 25 and since I was a bit annoyed with Osama I interjected some most likely unflattering short rejections of Osama’s assertions. I am not posting my assertions. The comments are cross posted in the order presented by WordPress.
 
The title I am giving them this dialogue is purely from yours truly. I hope it captures the spirit of the dialogue.
 
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OsamaArshad vs. Dajjal: Is Islam Evil or Good?
From OsamaArshad & Dajjal
© November 29, 2014
 
 
How gives you right to run propaganda about our religion. Do you even have any prove for what you have published above………

These are all the specimen of your hipocracy…….

You right that Islam was forcefully introduced and spread, Did Muhammad PBUH drew a single drop of blood at the event of Fateh Makha [Blog Editor: Conquest of Mecca – Wikipedia & The Religion of Peace & Answering Islam].
 
 
By the blessing of Almighty God, my great grandfather had the wisdom to depart from England & Canada and come to Michigan where he and his descendants could enjoy the protection of the Bill of Rights. The first amendment in that document establishes the write of free speech.
 
In a democratic form of government, open and unfettered discussion of public issues is required to maintain liberty.
 
We need and we have the right to expose the evil design, content, intentions and effects of Islam along with National Socialism, Fascism & Communism. And so, by God, we will blessed well continue to do, like this:
 
 

https://www.scribd.com/embeds/220586952/content?start_page=1&view_mode=scroll&show_recommendations=true

 
 
 
If your consider Islam a lie and it’s peace false then why are the Israeli invading and slaughtering the Muslims of Gaza. O my bad I think it’s Dajjal how said that slaughter those how are not of your opinion. If you think that you are so true –

Bet you don’t have the guts to do that don’t you?

Actual you ppl don’t even know that who you even are… You are the puppets of dajjal……..!!
 
 
Israel was invaded and occupied by slaves of Satan in 638. The Ottoman Empire lost the Levant after fighting on the wrong side in WWI. The Balfour Declaration resulted from a Jew helping England to synthesize nitrates which helped them win the war.
 
Gaza, Judea & Samaria were seized illegally by Jordan and Egypt in ’48. Israel won them back in ’67 when the Muslims tried and failed again to exterminate Israel.
 
Muslims attack, Jews retaliate. Israel should obliterate.
 
Slaughtering those “not of your opinion” defines Islam. In your arrogance and insanity you project your own evil onto your intended victims. The Islamic law of the Hanafi madhab, codified in the second volume of Hedaya, on page 216, is explicit. “Infidelity is an evil which must be removed from the world by Islam or death.” Kindly kiss my ass.
 
 

https://www.scribd.com/embeds/213423566/content?start_page=1&view_mode=scroll&show_recommendations=true

 
 
 
You ppl are just sitting over there to make a bad impression of Muslims all around the world………….
 
 
The vast majority of Muslims are descended from the early victims, first of deception; the world’s most vicious con game, second & more numerous, from conquest. Their ancestors were either tricked, converted at sword point or converted to get out from under grievous levy of Jizya.
 
The true believers, described in Surah Al-Anfal 1…5, Surah At-Taubah 9.111 & Surah Al-Hujuraat 49.15, are the worst of living creatures; willingly enslaved to Satan and ought rightly to be obliterated.
 
We write to warn our fellow Kaffirs of the existential threat to life, liberty & prosperity posed by Islam.
 
 
You forming your own Hadith does not give any authenticity to it .all the Hadith by prophet Muhammad PBUH are preserved carefully and with great authenticity.
 
 
Seventh century written Arabic was in its infancy, lacking vowels and diacritical marks, it had only consonants, thus it was no more than a memory aid with seven variant readings. Nothing in Islam is reliable or verifiable. The whole ball of turd is hearsay.
 
In my original posts, I cite sources and provide links to those available on the web. Like this:
 
 
 
 
Here’s smthng about dajjal…..
 
Dajjal who is the opposite of the saver Messiah is described as anti-messiah by the Jews. And Dajjal is believed to be killed by the breath of the Messiah.
 
In the Old Testament, Dajjal of the end of time is also mentioned. The evil force of Dajjal who destroys everything, prepares a dreadful plan, but is defeated in the end is mentioned in the book of Ezekiel. (2) Dajjal concept which also takes place in Zechariah and Joel shows itself in Daniel more clearly. Daniel sees him in person with naked eye and pictures a portrait of him. (3) This Dajjal is known as a big sovereign, commander of strong armies, who defeated three kings, and who destroyed temples.
 
Dajjal is especially mentioned in Christianity, too. According to St. Paul, it is one of the religious fundamentals of Christianity to believe in the coming of the Messiah in the end of time.
 
In the New Testament it is told that Dajjal will appear before the second coming of Messiah and will be killed by the breath of Hazrat Eesa (Jesus/Messiah). (4)
 
Dajjal is mentioned as Meshiha Daggala in the Matthew Bible. Meshiha Daggala is clearly mentioned in the Syrian translation of the New Testament. (5)
 
We see in a verse of the Matthew Bible, this is told about the false Messiah:
 
Students of Jesus asked what will be the sign for the end of the world. Jesus replied them: Do not let anyone turn you, because many will come in my name saying I am the Messiah and will lead many astray. And many false prophets will lead many astray, and many others will lose his love because mischief will rise. Only those who withstand until the end will reach salvation. (6)
 
In another verse, those false messiahs are described as to be able to show big omens and wonders. (7)
 
In the first letter of the John Bible, Dajjal is mentioned as antichrist as the opposite of Jesus. (8)

As it is seen, in those verses Dajjal is mentioned as a community rather than a person. However, most of the Catholic theologians agree that it will be a person. (9)
 
 
Messiah Ad-Dajjal is the anti-Muhammad, not the Anti-Christ. In Islamic eschatology, Isa, your pale imitation of Jesus, returns to kill the remnant of Jews & Christians and rule the world by the Koran. Jesus Christ is not a genocidal warlord. He came not to destroy men’s live but to save them. Moe said to the men of Mekkah: “I bring you slaughter.”
 
 
 
 
According to Hindus…….
 
One Hindu research professor, in his stunning book, claims that
description of avatar found in the holy books of Hindu religion is in
fact that of the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.
[Blog Editor: Islamic-Dictionary.com]). A little while ago, in India a fact revealing book has been published, which has been the topic of discussions all over the country. Amazingly, the author of this book is a fair-minded famous professor, who happens to be a Hindu. His name is Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhai and the name of his fact-revealing book is “Kalki Avtar”. The author is a Hindu Brahmin by caste of Bengali origin.

He is a research scholar, a seeker of the truth and a well-known pundit in Allahabad University. After years of research work, he published this book and other eight pundits have endorsed and certified his points of argument as authentic.

According to Hindu belief and their holy books, the description of the guide and the leader, named Kalki Avatar, fits that of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) of Arabia. Therefore, the Hindus of the whole world should look into this new information not wait any longer for the arrival of Kalki Avatar (the spirit) as he already arrived 1400 years ago. The author produces following sound evidences from the Vedas and other holy books of Hindu religion in support of his claim:

1. In Purana (a holy book of Hindus) it is stated that Kalki Avatar would be the last messenger of god in this world for the guidance of the whole world and all human beings. (According to Islam, prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) is also considered the last messenger of god in this world who was sent to guide all human beings).



2. According to a Hindu religion prediction, the birth of Kalki Avatar, would take place in an isle which again according to Hindu religion is Arab region.


3. In books of Hindus, the names of the father and the mother of Kalki Avatar are given as Vishnubhagat and Sumaani respectively. If we examine the meanings of these names we shall come to a very interesting conclusion: take Vishnubhagat, Vishnu (meaning God) + Bhagat (meaning slave) = slave of god Allah (god) + abd (slave in Arabic) = slave of god (Abdullah in Arabic name of Muhammed’s father) Sumaani = peace or calmness Amenah (Arabic) = peace or calmness (name of mother of prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.)


4. In religious books of Hindus, it is mentioned that the staple food of Kalki Avatar would be dates and olives and he would be the most honest and truthful person in the region. Without any doubt the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) is acclaimed to possess these qualities.


5. It is stated in Vedas (holy book of Hindu religion) that the birth of Kalki Avatar would take place in an honorable clan. This perfectly fits the Quraysh where the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) belonged to.


6. God would teach Kalki Avatar through his messenger (angel) in a cave. Allah taught Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.), through is messenger angel Jibraeel (Gabriel) in a cave known as Gaar-e-Hiraa (a cave in Mount Hiraa).


7. God would avail Kalki Avatar with a very speedy horse to ride and travel the whole world and the seven skies, indication of Buraaq (horse) and Me’raaj (the night when prophet traveled the seven skies).


8. God would also avail Kalki Avatar with divine help. This was particularly proved in the battle of Uhud.


9. Another dazzling account given about Kalki Avatar was that he would be born on the 12th of a month. Whereas the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) was born on the 12th of the Rabiul Awwal (Islamic calendar).


10. Kalki Avatar would be an excellent horse rider and a swordsman. The author here draws the attention of Hindus that the real days of horses and swords have gone and the present time is of guns and missiles. In fact, the divine book, Holy Qur’an contains qualities and signs attributed to Kalki Avatar reflecting on the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.).


These facts are verified and supported by the eight eminent pundits. What the author and the eight other eminent pundits say is that the Hindus who are still anxiously awaiting the arrival of Kalki Avatar are simply subjecting themselves to a never ending pain. Because such a great messenger has come and departed from this world fourteen centuries ago.
 
 
Allah Almighty says in Holy Quran
 
“… Those who follow the Messenger, the Immaculate One, whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel which are with them.” Al-Quran 7:158)
 
No doubt there are many prophecies regarding the advent of the Holy Prophet Muhammad in the Bible, but in the above quoted Quranic verse, the Torah and the Gospels are especially mentioned; because Moses and Jesus were prominent figures among all Israelite prophets.

Muslims look upon the source of Bible as holy and divine and its medium as truthful men. And here is a verse of Al-Quran which confirms this statement:
 
” Say ye: We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac, and Jacob, and his children, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to all other prophets from their Lord. We make no difference between any of them; and to Him we submit ourselves.” (Al Quran 2:137)
 
Of course, Muslims regard the Christian Scriptures as interpolated, but interpolation still implies retention of some original truths.

The principle that the Holy Prophet Muhammad testifies to the truth of all previous revelations, furnishes a strong foundation for harmony between the various religions of the world, as well as for the unity of the human race. The fact that all of the foregoing prophets testify to the truth of Prophet Muhammad constitutes a yet stronger testimony to the truth of Islam and the Unity of religions.
 
Moses prophesied about Hadhrat Muhammad.
 
In Deuteronomy 18:17-19, Moses prophesied:
 
“And the Lord said unto me. They have well spoken that which they have spoken, I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”

The foretold prophet in this prophecy was not Jesus Christ, nor any other Israelite prophet, because none of them ever claimed to be the prophet promised here. We read in the Gospel of John (1:19-21) that in the time of Jesus, the Jews were expecting the advent of three prophets. Firstly Elias, secondly Christ, thirdly a prophet of such universal fame that in his case no other specification was thought necessary. “The Prophet” was enough to convey what was meant. Jesus claimed to be the Christ and he regarded John the Baptist as Elias (Matthew 11:14, 17:10-13). Further, he prophesied about his second advent in the last days when true faith would disappear from the earth (Luke 18:8).
 
 
Your quote of 7.158 is bogus. Here is a link to the real thing, word by word Arabic/English. http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=7&verse=158.
 
Kauthar is not named in the Bible, he is mentioned only generically as a false prophet. That unrepentent sinner was unworthy of the title of respect he bestowed upon himself. Henceforth in my responses to you I will refer to him as Moe.
 
Moe is not the comforter mentioned by Jesus. The comforter is the Holy Spirit; Moe was unholy flesh. 15If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you .… http://biblehub.com/john/14-16.htm
 
The Prophet mentioned in Deuteronomy could not be an Arab, he must be a Jew to be one of their brethren: Jesus Christ!
 
 
You ppl say and I quote “PLEASE WAKE UP” brother it’s actually you who has fallen asleep and wondered off in to your dreams of deception.
 
 
So Mr. “WHO EVER YOU ARE” why don’t you come and battle this argument…….
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Edited by John R. Houk
Text or links enclosed by brackets are by the Editor.
Most of OsamaArshad’s text was unedited to preserve his tone however there was some spell changes I could not resist to accomplish.
 
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