Islam, Elsa and I


Traditional Biblical Faith and Non-Traditional Thinking

John R. Houk

© September 7, 2015

I had cross posted an email from Elsa Schieder by some thoughts her email inspired. The title of that post is “My Thoughts on Same-Sex Marriage & Nobel for Pastor Mulinde”. The subject title of Elsa’s email was “Honor Umar Mulinde – we stand with this man”. If you don’t know, are uniformed or are multiculturally brainwashed here are some quotes on Islam from experts and Muslims alike – HERE and HERE.

The reason I added some personal thoughts on same-sex marriage is because after promoting Pastor Umar Mulinde for a nomination for a Nobel Peace Prize for being a Christian Pastor persecuted for his faith with a Muslim acid bath Elsa addressed some flak on her position on same-sex marriage. Evidently she lost a huge amount of subscribers who looked forward to her Counterjihad newsletters.

Here is an excerpt of the email addressing the cancelling subscribers:

And now I will come back to the response to my piece saying that I don’t see how permitting gay marriage threatens marriage. A few people wrote comments like, brilliant! They were in the minority. I also had a couple of thoughtful responses against gay marriage. Again, these were in the minority. I’ve never had so many people cancel – including people who have been getting the updates for 3 years, since I started the initial interview series. Several cancelled with comments like: “God says homosexuality is a sin. Just what don’t you understand?”

I could have answered that we don’t all believe in the same god. Quite a few of us don’t believe in any cosmic force.

But that would have been a response to the words, not to the emotion.

What I saw most was that my not being against gay marriage touched what I might call a hot button, often a hot anger button. Game over. Get out now. No more updates ever. (Found in post “My Thoughts on Same-Sex Marriage & Nobel for Pastor Mulinde”)

I have to admit I did not read Elsa’s supportive email for same-sex marriage. Nonetheless, if I had read it I would have gone through that inner search that weighs what I am acutely aware about Islam as anti-Western and anti-Christian (and numerous anti-this or that which should alarm the full scale of the political spectrum) in its revered writings measured against the Biblical principles that homosexuality is a sinful abomination. Here are a couple of blog posts that will give some insight into my stand on the Bible pertaining to homosexuality:

o Homosexual Sin and the Christian Approach

o Introductory portion to “This is Why we Call the Gay Lobby Fascist!

I responded to Elsa with surprise that subscribers left a Counterjihad subscription because of a stand that Conservative Americans (including myself) would disagree. I still believe in her role as a Counterjihad writer regardless of disagreeing with her stand on same-sex marriage. Here is an excerpt from what I wrote about same-sex marriage:

In the matter of same-sex marriage: For me there is no way around the fact that marriage is a religious oath of fidelity. As far as the Bible informs then, same-sex marriage should not be performed or accepted by Christians. However, a civil union as in a defined and binding contract is Constitutional according to even [Constitutional] Original Intent and a matter of choosing Life in Christ or death in the Last Judgment with Satan and his deceived minions. Christians should never give up on showing a person lost in sin the Light of Christ and the path to eternal redemption. (I added “Constitutional” for clarity – John R. Houk; My Thoughts on Same-Sex Marriage & Nobel for Pastor Mulinde)

I am fairly certain that some fellow believers will find the “civil union” concept as something still unacceptable. Nevertheless we do live in a nation of laws. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are central to American culture. It is our Constitution that allows some sort of agreeing harmony among Leftists, Conservatives, religious adherents, Secular Humanists and atheists pertaining to the respect for law and order. Constitutional interpretation is becoming a wider gap in the American political spectrum. I have come to the conclusion that Multiculturalism and politically correct Left Wing thinking has eroded the American harmony into more and more conflict.

Elsa’s email response to my thoughts on same-sex marriage relate to the point that not all people have my perspective on the supremacy of a monotheist God from the Judeo-Christian Holy Bible. She wrote as follows:

Hello John,

Thank you for writing. I don’t see anyone as insignificant.

I have also noted your many efforts on google plus. Not insignificant.

Much more, I know we are not insignificant as ourselves, who we are.

Yes, we disagree on gay marriage – however, like you I want to do this respectfully.

On my side, as you must know, my spirituality, and also my beliefs about the more-than-5-sense-world, are different from yours. So what for you is sin and death, for me is fine – freedom unless you are hurting someone (hitting, insulting, etc.).

The most amazing thing for me: this experience with traditional Christians is something new for me – except for some encounters with Jehovah’s Witnesses as a mid-teen. Yours is an alien inner landscape for me.

My sense is we come to counter-jihad from different angles – for me Islam is against freedom, the right to flourish.

And now I want to tell you about a strength of the traditional Christians I have noticed (and you most likely know).

I’ve had to hold out against political correctness on my own – through thinking. Most people around me have gone the brain-wrecked route of political correctness.

Traditional Christians have more tools – starting with being encouraged to stand strongly for the truths they believe in, not caving in if someone else is offended.

And yet, like the non-religious politically correct people, so many of them have caved in as well.

Anyway, I find it vital that we can stand for our beliefs – and also learn – and discuss.

From my “experience” (meaning, one can’t verify as one can verify the experience of a sunset) of the “cosmic” (or however one might designate it), I don’t see that my view on gay marriage will ever coincide with yours.

By the way, re-marriage – I think you read my viewpoint: the different religions should have the option to marry (or not marry) in accordance with their beliefs, except when this violates the law (like marrying a child). I know, for instance, that the different branches of the Lutheran church have very different understandings of the biblical texts – re: women, gays, etc. (I am not going to mix into this argument – not mine.)

A big thing, for me: respecting each other, even when there is disagreement.

Again, thank you for writing,

All the best,

Elsa

On 2015-09-01, at 2:18 PM

When I asked for permission to use Elsa’s permission to post her email, she gave permission and responded thus including a quote from my intro to her promotion of Pastor Umar Mulinde for the Nobel Peace Prize (“My Thoughts on Same-Sex Marriage & Nobel for Pastor Mulinde”):

I agree:

“(E)ven in disagreement there is still ground for agreement. Christians (of all Denominations), atheists, Secularists and other religions not Islamic should unite and agree that Islam is a threat to all of our lines of thought and beliefs.”

All the best to all of us on the side of life, love, freedom,

Elsa

There is a time when political and social disagreements need to be set aside in Western Culture. The theopolitical tenets of the revered writings of Islam inspiring Sunni and Shia aspirations for a global Caliphate at the expense of the Liberties and Freedoms that have come to pass in West should/MUST unite a common goal to stop the un-Western concepts of Islam from finding any kind of ascendance. Since I am an American this unity must especially coalesce insuring the efficacy of the United State Constitution.

JRH 9/7/15

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The Threat of Islam


Hear No, See No, Speak No -- Islam

I went to check out a blog billing itself as marthavanderpol. Now I am guessing the blog’s owner is Martha Vanderpol. I checked out her blog because I received notification she is following my NCCR blog on WordPress.

 

Upon checking out Martha’s blog out I read her 1/1/15 post. Now Martha identifies herself as British. I am an American. Martha’s post can be summarized as this: Muslims in Europe blatantly get away with hate-speech and murder in the name of the Leftist ideology multicultural diversity. AND YET when Europeans get upset with Muslims demanding Sharia exceptions to a nation’s rule of law or culture, expose the violent nature inherent in Islamic considered holy writings and/or demand respect for their Christian oriented faith vis-à-vis Islamic counterculture incursions; those Europeans are harangued as bigots and too often prosecuted for hate-speech.

 

Martha effectively lays out a description of what is going on in Europe to the favor of Muslims and to the detriment of Europeans. AND the reason this is important to an American reader is because America’s current Leftist-in-Chief has set the stage for the same European problem to explode exponentially in the USA.

 

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The Threat of Islam

 

By Martha Vanderpol

January 1, 2015 8:29 pm

marthavanderpol

 

Happy New Year. Well, it is unless you’re in Nigeria, where three separate Islamist bombings have killed 7. We’re used to celebrations such as Christmas, New Year or commemorations for 9/11 being met with violence from Islamic terrorists now. It’s almost like wondering if it will snow on Christmas day – ‘Will there be a bombing?’ or rather ‘Where will the bombing be’ is uppermost in our minds as we go about our business in crowded shopping centres or transport hubs. In France, 55,000 police patrolled the streets in the last 24 hours to prevent a re-run of the Christmas Car-Jihad attacks.

 

All over the world, the message is – if you are not living in a Sharia state, you are fare game – whether you are a Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Atheist or whatever. Child or adult, man or woman – you are a potential target to people whose aims are simple – to spread fear and destruction among non-believers. The Western way of life is a target, modern education is ‘Haram’ and human rights are not enough a hurdle for people seized with such fervent hatred that only their way is possible. Any atrocity committed in the name of the Koran is acceptable.

 

The threat posed by Islam is that in any nation of the world where there are Muslims, there is a chance of their becoming radicalised and wanting to create a Sharia state. Our leaders keep stating that extremism is not based on ‘Real’ Islam – yet terrorists and preachers of hate state the very opposite – that to be a good Muslim the faithful must reject the Law of non-believers and create a Muslim land.

 

The Middle East Forum has a well-researched article on the presence of violence in the three Abrahamic faiths. “Famous Muslim scholar Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406) admired in the West for his “progressive” insights, … puts to rest the notion that jihad is defensive warfare:

 

In the Muslim community, the holy war [jihad] is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force … The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense … They are merely required to establish their religion among their own people. That is why the Israelites after Moses and Joshua remained unconcerned with royal authority [e.g., a caliphate]. Their only concern was to establish their religion [not spread it to the nations] … But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations.[10]

 

There is certainly violence both in the holy books of, and histories of, other religions. But it is clear that currently, we in the West are not at threat from extremist Buddhists, Catholics, Hindus or Yazidis. Islam has however been the source of now countless attacks upon our people and way of life in growing proportion since the 1980s. The list sadly grows daily with attacks on innocents in Africa and the Middle East making up the bulk in terms of number, but with massive attacks such as 9/11 and smaller attacks continuing in Europe and America too. Experience of Hamas terror in Israel has started a spate of ‘Car Jihad’ attacks in the West – where the use of bombs has been seen as too cumbersome and unpredictable, Islamists simply plow down pedestrians in the name of Jihad. Killing members of our armed forces is also a popular method for Jihadis wanting to aid the process of Islamification and terror in the West with the horrific murders of Fusilier Lee Rigby in London and of Corporal Nathan Cirillo in Ottawa, Canada.

 

The list of terror attacks upon people world-wide is huge and growing daily and the threat has been present for decades. Yet our governments do no more than try to prevent them through anti-radicalisation programmes and intelligence which is successful only until so-called ‘Lone Wolf’ attacks are introduced to the mix. The new Hamas-style car-Jihad and simple stabbings by Jihadis is a simple and chilling reminder that the threat is evolving, and not confined to organised groups such as Al-Quaeda any longer. Converts to Islam can be just as dangerous as individuals with long family histories of Islam. It is Islam which contains the seeds of extremist Ideology in the same way as Communism and Nazism did. Those doctrines have been defeated – but it was not by tolerance and acceptance that we defeated them but by fighting against their logic and armies.

 

I see the threat as similarly complex as that posed by Nazi ideology prior to 1938, where the ideas of racial purity and dominance were attractive to countless individuals and groups not just within Germany. The ideas of Islam are just as attractive to some, and just as much of a threat to us now. However it is precisely the memory of WWII and specifically of the Holocaust which I believe stops us from acting against the very real and present threat posed to our freedoms and way of life by Islamism.

 

There is a confused understanding of the current increase in Islamophobia as akin to racism, which might in turn lead to a second Holocaust, but with Muslims as the victims. Angela Merkel has begged Germans not to attend anti-Islamic protests, whilst 1 in 8 Germans say they would attend them. This is clearly a frightening sight – the image of thousands of Germans, flag aloft, shouting of hatred. It is reminiscent of Hitler’s burgeoning support in the 1930s.

 

Yet the discourse is completely wrong-headed.  It is not we who oppose Islam who are the potential Nazis – it is rather the growing anti-Western feeling within the ranks of Muslims world-wide which has all the hallmarks of Nazi ideology. Islam hates non-believers and any Law except for Islamic Law. It is we who are at risk of a Holocaust – all of us who are not ourselves radical Muslims. The rise of the ‘Islamic State’ of ISIS is one horrifying vision of what might happen – and the fact that hundreds of our Western bred Muslims are travelling to join them is another. The large anti-Israel protests in the West this Summer were led by some pretty nasty Islamists who added their Islamist flags to Palestinian ones. Hatred of Israel is far more loudly heard than hatred of Isis. And our government’s kow-tow to this confused thought in the mistaken belief that they need to be tolerant to prevent an outbreak of anti-Islamic persecution – when it is their own people who are being persecuted increasingly by Islam.

 

Meanwhile there has been growing anti-semitism in the West – with cemeteries desecrated and Swastikas appearing on Jewish property once again. There are numerous opponents of Israel who are not Muslim – but Jihadi flags have started to appear at anti-Israel protests, and Islamic fervour has been fanned by the problem of Israel and Palestine.

 

The evidence across the world from Boko Haram in Nigeria to Mumbai to Parliament Hill Ottawa is that it is Islamic ideology which is leading to atrocities – not Hebrew or Christian fervour. Israel is used as an excuse, and pornography has been used as an excuse for radicalisation – but there is no excuse – we in the West treat Muslims with decency and respect, and accord them their Human Rights just as with any other religious people. Yet they are using these freedoms and rights against us. There is evidence that radicalisation happens not just online, but also in Mosques. Radical preachers openly preach hate and violence. Yet our governments let it be. In the UK state schools have been turned into little enclaves of Islam, and entire neigbourhoods are effectively no-go areas to non-Muslims. Yet we let it go. Pakistani Muslims have been abusing under-age girls in the Midlands for years, yet the Police was too afraid of ‘cultural sensitivities’ to act upon numerous allegations and let it happen for years.

 

It is time that we understood – by acting against Islam and Islamification, against Sharia and FGM, against lack of integration and radicalisation – we are not the new Nazis – we are the Jews standing up for our very existence against the next Holocaust. The only purpose of Islam is to reduce the entire world to its regressive and oppressive doctrines. We see it in action in Iran where men are hung for being gay, where women are imprisoned for watching sports matches. We see burgeoning democracy destroyed in Iraq and Afghanistan – wherever there is Islam there is terror, fear and violence.

 

We must put aside our confused thinking on this threat – Islamic Ideology is the equivalent threat that Nazi Ideology posed – we wiped Nazism out but only by being firm and rooting it out within our home nation. Even German Jews were interred in the UK during the War because of the fear that they might have some (insane) affiliation to Nazism. Yet we know Islam is the root cause of terror in our midst and we do nothing. We fear harming Muslim Human Rights yet care not that Islamic Ideology has itself no similar respect for others’ Human Rights. We are blindly allowing Sharia courts inside the UK and Islamic Schools – 1 in 10 under 5s are now Muslim children. International Human Rights treaties give the right to Religious freedom – this, and the memory of the Holocaust is stopping our governments from putting a stop to creeping Sharia and growing radical Islam. Yet it is our own Religious and Basic Human Rights which are threatened by Islam.

 

But the debate is wrongly predicated. Islam is the ideology threatening the rest of us with Holocaust. It is the best of the West which is threatened by Sharia. Just because some Muslims are brown, we have gotten ourselves into a moral mess, believing anyone speaking out against the threat of Islam to be either racist or somehow akin to Nazi anti-semites.

 

But when we see the intolerant and violent way radical Islam wants to wipe out the West and other religions, we could rightly swap ‘Islamism’ for ‘Nazism’ – and if we did, would we be so tolerant? We are wrongly putting the West on the side of wrong – on the side of oppression and intolerance. Yet we in fact open our arms to other races and religions, and enshrine the rights of minorities within our laws. And it is precisely this tolerance and suspicion of our own capacity for oppression which is allowing Islamic oppression to pose the threat it does to the survival of all we hold dear – our civilisation, our freedom and our democracy. Islam is not like other religions in that it has a long history of Empire building and conquest which has not abated, in contrast to Christianity which has now mostly become secularised and divorced from the running of Nation States.

 

Islam inherently contains the seeds of extremism – and too many of its followers have become radicalised for us to continue to ignore the threat it poses. If we continue to allow Islam to progress unchecked in our world, it will consume us. We must have new expectations of Muslims in our lands – that they either live in accordance to our way of life, or that they leave our shores. Not all Germans were Nazis – yet Nazism certainly took hold and ruined World Peace. Islam can do the same thing – and we must begin to ask that Muslims swear allegiance to our flags and refrain from maintaining separate communities but rather integrate within our own.

 

Islam must either get its own house in order or face expulsion from Western nations – we cannot tolerate a religion which provokes so much terror and violence to flourish within our precious democracies. Freedom is fragile – as ISIS is showing all too clearly. Islam is a threat to our peace and our freedom – and we must face up to it sooner rather than later – before we are engulfed with fire the way India was in the Mughal days, and the way Iraq is being by ISIS. Russia is banning key Islamic texts the grounds that they incite hatred – http://www.meforum.org/4905/the-koran-and-eternal-war – perhaps we should start looking at the way the Koran incites hatred of other religions and proceed similarly to protect our peace and freedom.

 

Newsweek – French Army on Streets in Wake of Car Attacks

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_violence

 

http://www.meforum.org/2159/are-judaism-and-christianity-as-violent-as-islam

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

 

http://www.meforum.org/4905/the-koran-and-eternal-war

 

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About marthavanderpol blog

 

I am a UK based writer getting totally frustrated at how wrong-headed Left ideology has imbued popular consciousness that they are the only ones who can improve life for the poorest. It’s not true and 13 Years of Labour proved it. Things got worse for the poorest under Labour and the class divide bigger.

 

There’s a good generation of Conservatives able to lead the country – let’s hear no more of this false consciousness love of Labour – they know it themselves – they are not up to the job – and are jaundiced with having to stand up for the failings of their own doctrines.

 

Get in touch as I’d love to hear constructive comments please – I am on Twitter@MarthavanderPol and email marthavanderpol@gmail.com

I am interested in freedom of speech and breaking taboos especially as to how the UK deals with issues involving Islam, Education, the NHS, the Liberal Left, Elitism, Religion. I am an elitist conservative but I want to help the disadvantaged look after and improve themselves – a Compassionate Conservative if you will. I adored Michael Gove in Education because he wasn’t afraid of incensing the Teaching Unions and many parents who quite wrongly thought he was wrong to want to make the curriculum more robust so that British school leavers can better compete internationally.

 

On Labour


I do not believe Labour’s carping that they are the party of the hard working person – in 13 years of power they only managed to entrench dependence on benefits and READ THE REST

 

Edited by John R. Houk – I am doing a spell check but I am ignoring the British version of English spelling. Also if I am uncertain if a British grammatical error exists or not, I will be ignoring that as well.