Walid Shoebat Accusers use Half-Truth Data to Condemn Him


Walid Shoebat 2

John R. Houk

© September 21, 2012

 

I just read a comment on my post “Kamal Saleem is all about Christianity even it Insults Islam”. I have two primary blogs that I post at: SlantRight 2.0 and NCCR. The comment was posted at the NCCR blog. The commenter identifies himself as Ali Sina Goldenberg. I am fairly certain the name is a pseudonym. The name is a combination of a famous (or infamous depending on if you are a Muslim or not) ex-Muslim from Faith Freedom International which is an expose Islam website. “Goldenberg” suggests a Jewish familial background. So the irony is the mixture of an ex-Muslim atheist and a Jewish familial name.

 

The commenter wanted to correct my thoughts on those involved on producing the Mohammed Movie that the Obama Administration blames for all the attacks on U.S. Embassies across the Muslim dominated world. I think the Commenter could have better used a different post in which I address the Mohammed Movie more directly.  Here is the NCCR post in which in part I talk about the Mohammed Movie producers: Islam Insults Christianity. (SlantRight 2.0 version)

 

 

The post the Commenter decided to correct me with focuses on ex-terrorist turned Christian Kamal Saleem. Perhaps the Commenter chose the Saleem post because of his assertion that he is an ex-terrorist. Evidently the Commenter associates Kamal Saleem with Walid Shoebat. Shoebat also claims to be an ex-Muslim terrorist with a Palestinian pedigree. There are many pundits out there that accuse Shoebat of being a hoaxster making a living on a false pedigree of terrorist converted to Christianity and dedicated to exposing the darker side of Islam. I am not one of those that accuse Shoebat of being a fake AND I have listened to Kamal Saleem and he is definitely a man anointed to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

The most famous pundit that I am aware of that is also a slanted right writer is Debbie Schlussel:

 

[TO MY READERS: I originally wrote the column below in February. But I sat on it and didn’t publish it because I feel bad about exposing even this fraud and creep, Walid Shoebat, despite the fact that he’s plagiarized from me and harassed me under a fake name using his own e-mail address, and despite the fact that his equally shady manager, Keith Davies, fits a similar bill and has–along with Shoebat–taken to trashing me.


But now that The Jerusalem Post has also exposed the fraudulence and fakery of Mr. Shoebat, I’ve decided I cannot remain silent on who he really is and his behavior, any longer. After harassing me, he tried to appear with me at a 9/11 event in Dearborn, and I realized I can no longer hold back. I’ve thought long and hard about it, but it must be done. The record must be set straight
.]

Years ago, when I first heard of Walid Shoebat–the man who claims to have been a Palestinian Islamic terrorist–I liked his story. Since then, I praised him in more than one entry on this site. That was a mistake.

 

In the back of my mind, I always doubted his story. It’s not that I don’t believe Muslim terrorists can convert to Christianity and see the error of their ways. I personally know of a scant few who have, indeed, done that. And there are several former Muslims–Ayan Hirsi Ali (never a terrorist) comes to mind–and enlightened Arabs who are great orators with an important message so many more need to hear.

It’s that I simply didn’t find Shoebat credible. And his behavior toward me is that of an unstable, insecure man who is upset that his shaky claims are being doubted. It’s a case of trusting my instincts, and my instincts told me this man oozing arrogance, bravado, swagger, and not much else was a fraud–that this was a business for him, showmanship. And he never provided a shred of proof that he did what he said he did in his former life. (Debbie Schlussel; Excerpted from “Enough, Walid Shoebat: Why is Sean Hannity’s Fake Terrorist Harassing Me?” September 16, 2008, – 11:34 am)

 

Schlussel is not a happy camper with Shoebat. She even uses the most conservative newspaper in Jerusalem as a source.

 

Back in 2008 I examined Schlussel’s accusations against Shoebat (and Kamal Saleem was included a bit). In 2008 I decided to err on the side of believing Shoebat although I did admit that there were some of Schlussel’s accusations not answered adequately by Shoebat. Then in 2011 I posted information that discredited CNN fake accusations because a significant of the CNN info was just plain false: “Defending Walid Shoebat against CNN and Muslim Apologists.”

 

I feel obligated to take another look at Shoebat now that the Commenter that identifies himself as Ali Sina Goldenberg question Shoebat’s integrity in reporting the Mohammed Movie story. Below Walid Shoebat and Keith Davies answer point by point their accusers and I have to tell you their rebuttal works for me.

 

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I Was a Terrorist; In Defense of My Identity, Story and Credentials

 

By Walid Shoebat (about the author)

February 6, 2008 at 14:20:15

OpEdNews.com

SlantRight Editor: cross posted from Print Page

 

This article is published by opednews.com as an accomodation (sic) to allow Mr. Shoebat respond to an article about him by Eileen Fleming. Unfortunately, our website does not support arabic script, so you will see, where it was used, meaningless characters. (opednews.com)

 

The wisest man in history once said “be good to those who despise you.” In this article I will follow this instruction and personally thank Eileen Fleming who wrote for the Arabisto.com published also on OpeEdNews.com 1 in a smear campaign against myself and the United States Air Force for inviting me to speak against terrorism.

 

Fleming blames the Air Force academy for not doing due-diligence about me since she just came up with damning evidence about my credibility as a terrorist. But before I present this case, two questions that beg answers:

 

1—How could the Air Force be responsible for not examining her ‘facts’ especially since she presented her article after this invitation was known publicly?

 

2—Why should anyone have a problem fighting Islamic terrorism? Unless of course, such people cloak this evil phenomenon as a proper revolution to thwart the ‘evil’ occupiers like the United States and Israel.

 

Now to my case, I have been denied even my identity, to many I was a “Christian Lebanese Falangist,” a person who “never lived in Palestine,” “was never Muslim,” “no one knows him in Palestine,” “nothing can be confirmed of his origin, name, or identity,” “a fabrication,” “liar,” “imposter,” “Zionist paid agent,” “doing it for the money,” “Islamophobe disguised as X-terrorist,” and of course “racist.”

 

Yet it doesn’t matter what my critics do, it always benefits the cause of the truth since for years I have been confronted by media and Muslims to provide evidence to prove my identity, origin, Islamic connection and terror credentials which I shunned away. Now the claims regarding my credentials and the due-diligence that anyone needs is in Fleming’s own damning article. She was the reporter I prayed for years to come through, she obtained testimonies from my own Muslim family. Now I have a solid confirmation to my identity, origin, trouble with violence, connection to terrorist relatives and even imprisonment verification. Now I can put such accusations all behind.

 

THANK YOU EILEEN FLEMING.

 

The common phrase from the story of Joseph in Quran 12:26 and as we commonly say in the Middle East وشهد شاهد من اهلها “a family witness” that vindicated Joseph of lying should now apply to my case. While Fleming stated in her half done investigation article:

 

“Walid’s entire biography is a manufactured fabrication. His handlers have taken one point and have twisted it and built up a fictional story.”

 

But before I poke so many holes in her article including her valued witnesses which included only one name–Kamal Younis. I do believe that Fleming was honest on one point, that she did interview a few family members of mine since Kamal could have not known many details of my life in the U.S. But why the rest of her witnesses never gave their names?

 

Well, there are two reasons for this:

 

1—They fear retribution for being related to this infidel Walid Shoebat.

 

2—They fear retribution from American law for crimes committed by certain family members in the U.S. as you will see.

 

Let’s start with Kamal Younis’ testimony who is the brother of the prominent attorney Jawad Younis جواد يونس who defended Abu Zubaydah, a Palestinian living in Pakistan who is believed to be a key aide to Mr Bin Laden. Jawad was convicted by Israel in the good old days for his involvement and support for terrorism with the P.L.O. Mr.. Jawad Younis is known to have only one hand. His other hand was made out of plastic, but it didn’t have a hook.

 

Was Jawad a pirate as well?

 

Well, not exactly, his arm was blown off in his youth while messing with explosives. What was Jawad doing playing with explosives? I leave this to your imagination. Of course, they would claim that Jews planted booby traps in fountain pens to maim Arab kids. Jews would also poison candy, later this evolved that Jews lace Cadbury chocolate with Mad Cow disease. Jawad Younis the brother of Kamal Younis later becomes a prominent figure in exile in Jordan, yet the leopard doesn’t change it’s spots, Jawad as an attorney that defends Al-Qaeda operatives and even send a letter alongside of other delegates to congratulate Nasrallah the terror king pin of Hizbullah for his attacks on Israel.

 

So why didn’t Ms. Fleming contact the other side before publishing her story? Well it’s simple, she knows that I would have been glad to offer evidence to thrash her dishonest reporting which she knows she would never publish, but I will, point by point:

 

1—“His bio claims that his grandfather was the Muslim Mukhtar (chieftain) of Beit Sahour-Bethlehem. Beit Sahour is adjacent to Bethlehem, not a part of Bethlehem.”

 

Had Fleming checked the Municipality of Bethlehem’s official website she would see the official statement made by Bethlehem’s municipality:

 

تعتبر بيت لحم مركزاً لقضاء يحمل اسمها ويضم مدينتين هما بيت جالا وبيت ساحور

In English “Bethlehem is considered to be a jurisdiction that it’s name [Bethlehem] holds and includes two cities—Beit Jala and Beit Sahur.” 2

 

In other words, Beit Sahur as well as Beit Jala are also Bethlehem. Is Fleming’s article correct and Bethlehem’s Municipality in error?

 

Yet this is a minor card, the rest of her deck of cards will fall. So one out, 17 more points to go.

 

2—“Walid’s bio claims his grandfather was a friend of Haj-Ameen Al-Husseni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and notorious friend of Adolf Hitler. Walid’s grandfather never even met him and was a peaceful man.”

 

Did I ever say that my grandfather (sic) was not a “peaceful man”? my book which was written way before Fleming’s silly discoveries stated “My grandfather liked everyone, and he had no problem selling land to Jewish or Christian immigrants. The village had much land with only a handful of families that immigrated in the last decade prior to the 1948 war.”

 

3 Kamal’s statement also confirms what I stated in my book, Beit Sahur had a handful of families. A land that was empty prior to my great grand father (sic). Jews never stole such lands, they bought them. My grand father (sic) sold land to the Jewish National Fund as did many prominent Arab leaders. 4 This fact is so well documented in Fasl Al-Maqal, owned by Arab-Israeli parliament deputy Azmi Beshara. Why didn’t my family deny this? He sold a parcel called Umm Al-Asafeer which was later sent back to the family after Oslo. Why did her article never mention this? Or any denial of this by my family? It’s because everyone knew it’s true. Their leader and Mukhtar sold land to Zionists.

 

I should also know the history of my grand father (sic) more then Mr. Kamal Younis (full name Kamal Younis Jum’a) Fleming should check his I.D and be amazed that I know what’s in it, yet he confirmed that my grand father (sic) was the Mukhtar of the Muslims. The land sale to the Jewish National Fund will prove that my grand father (sic) was considered a traitor. Abdul Qader Al-Husseni was appointed by Haj Amin (Adolf Hitler’s puppet) to execute so many chieftains (Mukhtars) in the whole region. Anyone that was considered peaceful or had connection with the Jews were to be executed. Of course, the Hussenis sold land to Jews yet they were immune. My grand father (sic) was one of these who escaped the massacre due to his connection with the family and with his father in law, my great grand father (sic). This story was known in the family and well documented on page 44 in my book. Many were not so lucky. This massacre between 1936 and 1938 carried out by Husseni’s men is so well known and well documented which included Sheikh Daoud Ansari (Imam of Al Aqsa Mosque), Sheikh Ali Nur el Khattib (Al Aqsa Mosque), Sheikh Nusbi Abdal Rahim (Council of Muslim Religious Court), Sheikh Abdul el Badoui (Acre, Palestine), Sheikh El Namouri (Hebron), and Nasr El Din Nassr (Mayor of Hebron). Between Feb. 1937 and Nov. 1938, eleven Mukhtars (community leaders) and their entire families were slain by Amin al Husseni’s men.5

 

Does Fleming desire to deny all this? If Mukhtars were proven beyond doubt to have been executed, and my family never denied this, would you not consider it logical that my grand father (sic) would be on such a hit list? He had a mock trial in Al-khader by Abdul Qader Al-Husseini and was rescued by his father in law Abdullah Ali Awadallah.

 

3—“Walid was born in September of 1960 in Beit Sahour after his American mother and father returned there from America…His older sister and brother were born in the USA”

 

This proves beyond doubt that I was born in Beit Sahur-Bethlehem as I claimed and all the denials of my origin were bogus. In fact I was born the first day my mother arrived, in a lowly place near the Shepherd’s Fields, lower than were Jesus was born (thank God). All this could be verified. In fact, Daniel Pipes of Middle East Forum who reads fluent Arabic examined my birth certificate himself. This can be found on:

 

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/27999

 

Had she cared to verify this she would never have published her article. If she doubts this, I will be willing to resubmit these documents to a trusted government agency.

 

That with many documents to prove not only my connection with that land, but my American family’s connection with Winston Churchill. These can be proven to such extent that Fleming would be ashamed of her flimsy article.

 

4—“and the family lived in Jericho until 1968, then in Saudi Arabia for two years then returned to Beit Sahour.”

 

This proves my testimony having lived during the 1967 Six Day War in Jericho as written in my books.

 

In fact I can prove that Younis has incorrect chronology, I lived in Saudi Arabia were my father worked for the Arab-American Oil Co (ARAMCO) in Ras-Tannura in 1962, then moved to Jericho.

 

5—“In 1976, his sister Mona was coming home from school with her friends and were stopped and beaten up by Israeli soldiers, they nearly broke Mona’s back. This made Walid very angry and shortly thereafter he attended his first demonstration against the occupation.”

 

This incident is correct the typical exaggeration that my sister’s back was nearly broken is false, she had a minor bruise while participating in a demonstration. Since my family’s own testimony proves that my sister is a United States citizen (she was born in the U.S.) I had arranged for my sister Mona to join an airlift from Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War since she was an American, her husband refused to allow her exit from Saudi Arabia. Such ownership of women prohibits them to even go to there (sic) country of origin. Don’t forget, it took my mother 35 years to escape the hell-hole called the Middle East. Would Fleming accept my mother’s testimony? Or will she accept the testimony of terror supporters instead?

 

6—“ In 1977 Walid was caught distributing Palestinian flags and was arrested and held for about two weeks in Mascubia [Russian Compound] Prison, until his mother went to the Embassy and got him released.”

 

This proves that I was in prison as I always claimed. All the rumors that my story cannot be collaborated do not hold any water. Did Fleming, the left wing anti-Christian reporter accept Zionist bribes to do this article and gain me what I have been looking for?

 

Fleming’s article is in fact my ace-in-the-hole. If I am not vindicated from my Zionist bribes accusation, does that mean that Fleming could and should be accused of accepting such bribes to do her story? I can be almost positive that you will later find accusations against Fleming for attesting to my family connection. When that happens, would Fleming join us to fight the half truths she reports?

 

7— “But, when he was in jail he met someone who invited him to join a group against Israel”

 

This further collaborates that I was recruited by Mahmud Al-Mughrabi a known bomb-maker and was in prison as I claimed. Had Fleming did what she accused the Air Force of not doing (proper due diligence) and checked on files in the Russian Compound prison to find both myself, Al-Mughrabi and Abu-Sneineh who served these short term prison time, she would have realized her stupidity to trust and eat out of a pigsty. Let’s not forget, Mahmoud Al-Mughrabi was a very close relative of Dalal Al-Mughrabi who killed more then 30 Israelis in a bus operation.

 

8—“In 1977 Walid and his friends put packages behind a bank, but there were no explosives in it.”

 

Does it make any sense that my entire family since 1977 remembers such and (sic) uneventful event of us placing empty boxes on the roof of a bank?

 

Also, had there been no explosion, why then would the Israelis make arrests? Muhammad El-Atrash was arrested for being close to the area when the explosion happened on top of the roof.. Nidal Shoebat my cousin should testify to this (if he wishes to be honest). Nidal who was an ambulance doctor was also injured when Israelis killed the most wanted terrorist Muhammad Abiyat (also spelled Abayat). I can supply these records which were documented by the United Nations.

 

Why would my family want to testify that Nidal was also a terrorist and risk the Israelis to go after him? Especially since his brother Eiad is wanted by the United States of America for money laundering and for a major fraud scandal of millions of dollars and is currently in hiding from U.S. authorities. This alongside other family members who drained by fraud the social security system collecting Social Security checks while living overseas by manipulating their identities. This is all linked to financial terrorism. Even their citizenships is fraud. Eiad who claimed to be a Mexican Farm worker and applying for citizenship should not be granted citizenship. He was not Mexican but an employee of Cal-Trans and a financial terrorist.

 

Everyone in my Muslim family supports the ideology of Islamic terrorism.

 

Does it make sense in a Palestinian culture of death and terror not to deny certain things?

 

Also, why didn’t my family deny that my other cousin Raed Khalil Awadallah was killed on his way to Ben Yehuda Street to plant a bomb? He too was supposedly innocent and the Israelis sold his inner body parts in the black market after killing him. The intricate lying and manipulating evidence from a people that even the Shahid’s dead body falls off the coffin and walks in on it’s own accord and back in the coffin in a funeral’s precession. All captured on film and all with support of the entire community of a known lie. Is this the type of people who Fleming trusts for a testimony?

 

My family also never denied that his brother Mahmud Khalil Awadallah was sentenced to life for planting bombs, then released by an international deal? These facts are easily obtained.

 

Did Fleming do any due-diligence on any of my accusers?

 

Or only on me?

 

Why the persistence to deny my terror connection? I confess. I did it. Why insist that my confession is a lie? Yet not examine my family who do not confess anything and the evidence of their crimes is overwhelming? Does she care to examine these facts and publish them? She can be my guest.

 

Do I fear the words of slanderers, thieves, and liars? Does Fleming care how she aids and abets the cause of terrorists? Would she include these in her article, or even apologize for her lack of due-diligence?

 

9—“Walid came to the U.S. in 1978”

 

This also proves my claim in all my books, I came to the U.S in 1978.

 

10—“met an Afghani friend and they went into business together, but it didn’t work out, so he moved to Chicago”

 

This also shows the lack of chronology, this is in reverse and wrong. I left to Chicago between 1980-1981, my business with the Afghan was not a failure which was in 1992 way later. I moved to Chicago after leaving my Jewish wife.

 

11—“he moved to Chicago in 1981 where many cousins live and asked for help. He went to Loop College [now Harold Washington College] and was appointed as a foreign student advisor; a position offered him so he could pay his tuition.”

 

This proves my Chicago connection just as I stated in my books. It also proves that there is a Loop College, would the Muslim Student Association of Michigan Ann-Arbor University send an apology for passing leaflets denying my story since they never found a Loop College or a Jamal Said?

 

This also proves that I was a counselor for the Arab Students as I claimed. I believe all this came from Mr. Kamal’s nephew Adnan Younis who was with me during our activism. This also can be collaborated from Mary Edwards (currently Mary Edwards Wertsch), a reporter and a girl friend who served on the team to defend Ziad Abu Eian, a terrorist who killed 3 Israelis, also James Zughbi the director of the Arab-American Institute was on that committee to help this terrorist who was later extradited to Israel to serve his sentence after loosing (sic) his court case in the U.S. Ziad was later released through a deal, then evolved to become in charge of the Palestinian prison system of Yasser Arafat and Mahmoud Abbas. Can anyone imagine an inmate and a terrorist running a jail system of the entire Palestinian Authority?

 

12—“The repo man took Walid’s truck and after that he went back to California”

 

The repo man took the truck while I was staying with Mary Edwards in her apartment by the Wrigley Field. Mary was helping on a defense case for Ziad Abu Eian the terrorist.

 

13—“he went back to California. He met a Palestinian girl there and they got married and had a son. But, he beat his wife and that marriage broke up.”

 

Wrong chronology again, I left to Chicago from California and left behind my Jewish wife whom I was abusive to. This is documented in my book “Why We Want To Kill You.” I later married a Palestinian girl from Beit Sahur, this can be proven. Also, I never beat my Arab wife, only the Jewish wife got her fair share of Muslim style beatings. Had I beaten my Arab wife she would have easily won the court case in California when we divorced. In fact, the court awarded my current wife Maria the child and found the pure and perfect Palestinian Muslim girl guilty of abandoning her infant. All this can be verified from court records which I have. In fact I have won every case that I was involved in. If I entertain the thought of suing Fleming for slander, I would probably win. For she wrote:

 

“Walid’s entire biography is a manufactured fabrication. His handlers have taken one point and have twisted it and built up a fictional story.”

 

In fact, I can prove that her story is the one twisted in several areas. Does Flemming care to challenge me? Would she take a challenge from a seasoned and experienced X-terrorist? Will she dare debate me? Dialogue? I seriously doubt it.

 

14—“Walid’s maternal grandparents were wealthy and when they died Walid was to share the inheritance with his sister and brother, but his siblings never received a dime from their grandparent’s estate. And, while his own father was in a nursing home in California Walid took his mother and moved far away from him to another city.”

 

So I inherited so much money? Why then accuse me of doing this for money?

Would Flemming care to investigate and report my American connection? She would find that without a shadow of doubt that my American family connects with a close friendship with Winston Churchill.

 

From my American side—Anti-Hitler

 

From my Arab side—Pro-Hitler

 

Which choice should I make Ms. Flemming?

 

The claim that I took my mother away from my father is inaccurate, this could easily be proven. In fact, my father was denied by his own family after he stabbed Abu-Issa Al-Atrash and opened his stomach. The family publicly abandoned my father and called me to take him to the states. This was the rescue of my mother who was finally able to come home to her beloved country after 35 years of exile and spousal abuse that could be documented in horror books. Should my mother remain with her tormentor? If my father was so peaceful, why did all his brothers abandon him? Even his Muslim son (my brother) abandoned him and refused to help his parents to come to the U.S. I was stuck with all the expenses, I even paid for the damage he caused back in Beit Sahur.

 

The truth is difficult.

 

In fact, I should speak to the Air Force, after all my brother was in the Air Force who trained his Muslim daughter not to salute the American Flag. Why? Because she was told by his Gaza born wife that her country was Palestine, not America. This is the shame that I abandoned.

 

15—“and when they [Walid’s grand parents (sic)] died”

 

My grand father (sic) died. My American grand mother is still living at the age of 94 which also could be verified, may God give her longevity. This proves that Flemming’s witnesses are half-cocked.

 

Here’s the real scoop, the family thinks that since she is an American woman, she should not hold to her wealth and should give it to them before she died. Like a pack of wolves after a frail and weak deer.

 

16—“Walid was to share the inheritance with his sister and brother, but his siblings never received a dime from their grandparent’s estate.”

 

This is typical, the elderly American grand mother (sic) was bombarded by my brother and father continually haranguing the elderly lady who wanted nothing to do with them or any Islamist connection. The Christian side of the family, my mother, grand mother (sic), wife, myself and two children, decided to break up after the threats, spying, and continual insults we received from my father and brother.

 

Now, if someone is still living, how could someone divide their wealth? How can I divide this wealth with my siblings? The woman still lives. What gives these greedy bunch a right to divide someone’s wealth before they die?

 

On the other hand, Fleming failed to contact myself to find out that I have full evidence of land ownership that was stolen by the very people who are complaining. The family offered me an ultimatum—come to Bethlehem Court and denounce my Christian faith, or loose (sic) my land. Does Fleming care to examine my property that was stolen and the inheritance that was denied to me in Bethlehem? I have full documentation—sale deed and land survey.

 

17—“”Walid claimed on CNN that he met Sheikh Jamal and was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and claimed he had been a member of a U.S. sleeper cell terrorist group. All his relatives doubt this greatly, but we do believe he is being paid big money to keep saying bad things about Muslims.”

 

They would not know what happened to me after I left their apartment in Chicago on Lawrence and Kedzy. Adnan Younis was jealous and offended and asked me to move out. Why? Adnan’s girlfriend began to date me instead and he was jealous so he urged the family to ask me to leave. I did, then I left the P.L.O activism to join with Jordanian Ghazi Dhabaybeh, a contact and coordinator of Jamal Said.

 

18—“[Alex] Awad shows problems with his timeline and his poor knowledge of the Christian leaders in Palestine”

 

Would Fleming whose witnesses were lousy keepers of chronology care to share these “problems with his timeline”? There is nothing in either her source clubs.calvin.edu/chimes/issue_pdfs/102/11/News-07-11-09.pdf which I examined in detail, no, not a single line, or in her article to show a single problem with timelines. Does a serious journalist make a claim without providing any evidence? Or maybe Fleming is not a serious journalist.

 

Does she believe Alex Awad who passed newsletters claiming that Israelis are shooting at Beit Jala, yet failing to mention that they were defending Gilo from terrorists who occupied Christian homes in Beit Jala to shoot across the Jewish community of Gilo?

 

Should we believe half truths, and one-sided stories that never gave the other side a chance to challenge the claims she made?

 

Does she or Alex Awad believe in Jesus, the Governor of Judah, The Jewish Messiah? Or the Palestinian Jesus of Alex and Hanan Ashrawi’s own concoction?

 

Fleming states “Discernment and good intelligence is what our troops need, and that is not what they are receiving on February 6, 2008 at the USA Naval Academy, in Colorado Springs, Colorado, in the heart of the western Bible Belt.”

 

Fleming, Alex, or any of her witnesses are welcome to stand against me in a debate over my integrity anytime, either in public or in private, of course after she makes public my article. I doubt they will come forward. For they will only incriminate themselves. Sure I confess my terrorism, yet these deny their support of it. What has been presented proves beyond doubt that:

 

A—That I did live in Beit Sahur-Bethlehem

 

B—I am from an American mother.

 

C—My grand father (sic) was the main chieftain of the Muslims of Beit Sahur-Bethlehem who at his time was dominated by the largest clan “Shoebat” (also spelled Shuaybat), yes there are other minor chieftains.

 

D—That even my name Walid Shoebat is accurate. I realize that in my book it was mistakenly printed by my editor as an assumed name. A fraudulent person would definitely make a name up—I chose not to.

 

E—All the claims of my identity having never lived in “Palestine” being a disguised Falangist and Zionist Jew are bogus, I was telling the truth.

 

So who was the idiot after all?

 

THANK YOU EILEEN FLEMING..

 

1http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_eileen_f_080201_usa_air_force_academ.htm

 

2— [SlantRight Editor: Foot Notes end here at OEN post]

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CNN SMEAR CAMPAIGN—THE MISSING FACTS

What Anderson Cooper did not know

 

Walid Shoebat

July 2011

WalidShoebat.com

 

Anderson Cooper on CNN interviewed his investigative reporter Andrew Griffin regarding the credibility of Walid Shoebat advising Homeland Security.

 

But what Anderson Cooper did not know during this interview were THE FACTS:

 

LIE #1: In Mr. Griffin’s article he wrote: “Neither Shoebat nor his business partner provided any proof of Shoebat’s involvement in terrorism, despite repeated requests”.

 

FACT: There were no repeated requests. What is damaging to CNN’s credibility is that we have all the email exchanges to prove that every request was answered and The Shoebat Foundation did respond to all of CNN’s emails and was even offered several documents including credible witnesses to validate Mr. Shoebat’s account:

 

“We will be willing to provide copies of documents that will answer your questions and witnesses on the condition that you guarantee they are protected and no names or photos or the contents of such documents will be made public. We will have you review these in person”. (see first email below) CNN never complied.

 

LIE #2: CNN claimed that they investigated Mr. Shoebat and had asked several agencies about Shoebat’s past.

 

FACT: On Anderson Cooper 360, Griffin never released any interviews with any official agency; no interviews with any police official, government officials or any recorded calls or any memos or any email correspondence (which we did) that validate any investigation took place with anyone.

 

Unless this is done CNN has no case.

 

We have also learned thru unimpeachable sources that CAIR operatives secretly worked with CNN in carrying out this political assassination of Mr. Shoebat.

 

Additionally, if CNN released the entire interview between Mr. Griffin and Mr. Shoebat it will destroy the whole claim and prove that CAIR’s input was evident. During the interview on tape Griffin claimed that he investigated Mr. Shoebat and found out that records show he was paid $13,000 and that he never have called Bank Leumi Branch in Bethlehem which today doesn’t even exist.

 

In the interview Griffin simply was repeating an article written by CAIR, which falsely claimed that the Shoebat Foundation was paid $13,000. Anderson Cooper should review the entire interview, which is damaging to CNN. What Griffin did was simply rely on an article written by CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations) based on an old article in which 3 x-terrorists were paid $13,000 in an event at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs. Griffin then changed his story to include the correct amount.

 

Griffin later found out that there was no Bank Leumi branch in Bethlehem to call since that branch was closed in which Griffin changed both stories with Cooper and lied intentionally. Griffin also stated that he checked with the Israeli police in Bethlehem when fact is, there is no Israeli police station in Bethlehem and the Palestinian Authorities would have no such records. Griffin later changed the story to say that he called Bank Leumi in Tel Aviv. Fact is, Bank Leumi in Tel Aviv has no such records either. Anyone can call Bank Leumi’s headquarters in Tel Aviv and check. We called ourselves and there are no records in Bank Leumi that tracks terrorist operations during 1976-1977.

 

LIE #3: Griffin claimed that he searched the Israeli prison records and there was nothing under the name Shoebat.

 

FACT:

 

1) Mr. Shoebat’s imprisonment can easily be verified with a click of a button since Mr. Griffin was not the only one investigating Mr. Shoebat’s prison story. Journalist Eileen Fleming who attempted to debunk Mr. Shoebat’s account on an OpedNews.com story had interviewed Shoebat’s family who confirmed that Mr. Shoebat was indeed in prison: “But, when he was in jail he met someone who invited him to join a group against Israel”. All of CNN’s claims were debunked several times over in the past and its (sic) not the first time this happened.

 

2) Even if Mr. Griffin did check prison records, he was searching the wrong name. Had CNN examined our records that were offered to them, it will prove beyond doubt that Mr. Griffin made an error. When Mr. Shoebat was arrested he turned in his U.S. passport and not his birth certificate or I.D. card. His U.S. passport had a different last name.

 

Mr. Shoebat was born in Bethlehem and since his mother was a U.S. citizen he was under her passport as a child. When he matured he held his own passport, which used his mother’s information, which is not under the name “Shoebat”. We offered to clarify all this to CNN (see same email) on the condition to keep the documents private. CNN refused to offer privacy.

 

3) Mr. Shoebat was not in jail for his bombing operation but for planning civil unrest in which he was released without charge since the U.S. Consulate in Jerusalem intervened in the case. He later joined a terror cell in Jerusalem. If Mr. Griffin was searching court cases and terrorism charges, he would not find anything. Yet Griffin talked about not finding court records regarding imprisonment for a terrorism case of a bombing operation in Bethlehem Manger Square.

 

LIE #4: CNN claimed that Walid’s cousin confirms that Walid was never a terrorist

 

FACT: CNN failed to ask Daood Hassaan Shoebat if he had any links to terrorists. He did. How could Daood Shoebat, the uncle of famed terrorist Arin Shoebat and Raed Khalil Awadallah Shoebat be a credible witness since both terrorists can be verified without a shadow of doubt. Arin Shoebat was the renowned mastermind of the dual Operation in which Issa Bdeir detonated a bomb, killing him along with innocent Jewish civilians. Arin survived, hesitating to kill children, a similar account to that of Walid’s, who published his story years prior to Arin’s activity. Raed Khalil Awadallah Shoebat is on the list of official martyrs. Anyone can use google translate in Arabic can confirm both links in which these names match 100%.

 

LIE #5: Mr. Griffin claimed that there was never a “firebomb” thrown on Bank Leumi and neither was there anything of that sort in Bethlehem Manger Square [during 1976-1977]

 

FACT: Mr. Shoebat never made any claim that he threw a Molotov cocktail on a bank, which completely debunks Mr. Griffin’s entire investigation. Why would anyone remember such a minor event? Mr. Shoebat had a real time bomb assembled by the notorious terrorist Mahmoud Al-Mughrabi whose account can be completely verified through United Nations reports and news agencies (see Lie #7, Point 1).

 

The most damaging to Mr. Griffin’s story is that there was a bombing at the Bank Leumi in Bethlehem’s Manger Square — as described in Mr. Shoebat’s books. What was not published in Walid’s books was a later research that was also documented by the United Nations. Between December 24 and 27, there were two explosions in that area: “Bethlehem (in Manger Square near the Church of the Nativity)” and “Explosive charge went off outside the local Courthouse 27 December 1977 JP. 2 Jan. 1978 Yediot Aharonot, 2 January 1978.”

 

 

LIE #6: Americans are wasting tax dollars in hiring Mr. Shoebat or x-terrorists to explain terrorism.

 

FACT: Police use X-Drug addicts to expose the mindset of drug users in order to combat the epidemic. Why can’t x-terrorists do the same? In fact, most FBI agents that deal with terrorism were involved on the war on drugs and now are transferred to the war on terror. Muslim terrorists are Muslim and it’s impossible to study the mindset without understanding Islam. This is the whole purpose to CNN’s attack.

 

LIE #7: Mr. Shoebat bills himself as an x-terrorist on the basis of a bombing activity of Bank Leumi.

 

FACT: Mr. Shoebat is rarely billed as an x-terrorist on the basis of only bombing Bank Leumi. Mr. Shoebat’s story is billed on the basis of several proven accounts:

 

1) He was recruited into the PLO by prison cellmate Mahmoud Al-Mughrabi – which led to the former’s involvement in a bomb plot that targeted several Bank Leumi branches.

 

Several bombings of Bank Leumi are well documented in the United Nations Reports.

 

Al-Mughrabi [1] was Mr. Shoebat’s prison mate and his PLO recruiter: he sent Walid to bomb the Bank Leumi branch in Bethlehem. After his release from the Masqubiyeh, he was considered enough of a danger that Israel assassinated him on October 1, 1985: Israeli F-15B Eagle war planes, in Operation Wooden Leg, hit Arafat’s Tunisia headquarters in retaliation for the PLO’s murder of Israelis in Larnaca, Cyprus one week earlier. (The assassination mission that killed Al-Mughrabi can be pulled up on video [2] via Al-Jazeera.) Arab sources like Middle East Report lamented his death:

 

In pain and sorrow we learn that our friend Mahmud Al-Mughrabi was killed during the October bombing raid in Tunisia. Mahmud was born in Jerusalem in 1960. By the age of 16 he was under detention 12 times and he was one of the first to speak in public about the methods of interrogation of Palestinian detainees used by the General Security Services in Israel. He then gave his permission to being publicly identified as an informant for the Sunday Times expose of Israeli torture in June 1977. In 1984, he managed to escape to Jordan after years of increasingly marginal existence under steadily deteriorating conditions of military occupation.

 

Famed Egyptian terror-apologist Edward Said spoke of Al-Mughrabi:

 

One of the victims of the Tunis bombing was Mahmoud Al-Mughrabi, born in Jerusalem in 1960, under detention twelve times by the age of 16, one of the informants of The Sunday Times to expose of torture in Israel (19 June, 1977) who “managed to escape to Jordan after years of increasingly marginal existence under steadily deteriorating existence of the Israeli occupation”, according to a memorial notice by Israeli Jewish friends that was repeatedly denied publication in Arab newspapers in East Jerusalem by Israeli military censorship.

 

Al-Jazeera and Said are not “Zionist” sources, but Arab.

 

While Walid’s partner in crime and prison cell mate Mahmoud Al-Mughrabi was denied to have ever existed, he was notorious, very real and quite dangerous. He was a secret correspondent for the British Sunday Times – hired to report alleged tortures in the Russian Compound (Jerusalem Central Prison) and his name was published by the United Nations while privately conducting terror plots.

 

2) Close family ties to high as well as low-ranking terrorists, which can be reasonably proven. Walid was well connected to several terrorist members of his own family whom CNN interviewed—preferring to use these—to collaborate a false claim. Yet such interviews only add to his credibility.

 

A—His cousin was – Areen Ahmad Shoebat – the renowned mastermind of the dual Operation Reshon Letzion in which Issa Bdeir detonated a bomb, killing him along with innocent Jewish civilians. Areen survived, hesitating to kill children, a similar account to that of Walid’s, who published his story years prior to Areen’s activity.

 

B—Walid fled to the United States and was mentored under Jamal Said who is said to be an associate of Abdullah the godfather of Al-Qaeda who later was involved with the I.A.P (Islamic Association of Palestine) a branch of Hamas, which gave birth to CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations) which CNN is defending.

 

C—Then we have another cousin, exiled terrorist Jawad Younis who became Abu Zubaydah’s lawyer in absentia. Abu Zubaydah ended up in U.S. custody to later testify against 911 ‘mastermind’ Khalid Sheik Muhammad. Jawad is still an Islamist troublemaker in Jordan and an ardent supporter of Hezbollah:

 

“To His Excellency Mr. Nasrallah Secretary General of Hezbullah the Victorious by the will of Allah …We grip our hands with you, and all the Jihadists for the cause of Allah…as you lunge with your souls for the battle of the [Islamic] nation, to fight the demonic forces of America and Zionism, the sons of the great Satan.” Signed as #4 of this delegation Jawad Younis. (Letter of support to Nassrallah, dated 7/19/2006, published July 27th, 2006)

 

D—Another cousin is Raed Khalil Awadallah Shoebat, killed while attempting to plant a bomb at Ben Yehuda Street. Raed Awadallah Shoebat is on the official martyrs list. Anyone can use google translate from Arabic can confirm all the links in which these names match 100% to be Walid’s relatives.

 

E—Another cousin is Mahmoud Khalil Awadallah Shoebat who was imprisoned for years for his terror activity to later be released in a plea bargain. All the Awadallah Shoebat names provided are within the same household of the CNN witness Mr. Daood Awadallah Shoebat seen lying through his teeth.

 

F—Another cousin Eiad Shoebat, has an arrest warrant by the FBI wanted to major financial fraud suspected to be terror related. This involved contra band, passport fraud and major financial embezzlements that could be related to terrorism. This can be confirmed with the FBI. Homeland Security did all the proper due-diligence that CNN never did.

 

C—Walid’s violent acts included street violence and hand-to-hand confrontations with Israeli forces. On one occasion Walid nearly lynched an Israeli soldier, which also can be confirmed by accessing Israeli news archives on March 18th as well as March 30th 1976. The news broadcaster was Karam Zarour (Oded Zarrai) who broadcast the news item on 8 PM news on the Arabic station on Israeli TV. CNN never accessed the archives.

 

D—Walid’s experience in Chicago being active with the PLO as well as the Muslim Brotherhood prior to the inception of the I.A.P (Islamic Association of Palestine) which later gave birth to CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations). It is for this reason CNN and CAIR attack Mr. Shoebat.

  

It is important that when we examine evidence to avoid character assassinations due to political affiliation. CNN has a liberal agenda and we are conservative. Let us put our affiliations aside and pursue the facts. Will CNN be willing to pursue the facts or is there an agenda in line with CAIR’s?

 

Regardless of the facts, many will still doubt and continue the slander, but for those who do, try to refute a single fact we presented, they can’t.

 

[1] Al-Mughrabi: http://www.moghrabi-jerusalem.com/shohdaaa/mahmoud.htm

 

[2] video: http://rachedarfaoui.over-blog.com/article-36803579.html

 

FROM:

Keith Davies

 

TO:

Lister Tim

Message flagged

Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:23 AM

 

Message body

Tim,

 

>It is my role at CNN to check all reporting for attribution and balance

And it is my roll to protect my client. We will be willing to provide copies of documents that will answer your questions and witnesses on the condition that you guarantee they are protected and no names or photos or the contents of such documents will be made public. We will have you review these in person.

 

In other words, such documents, phone calls to witnesses and names must be used to ONLY verify your quest and does not become part of your coverage. You can have your attorney call mine to iron out the details.

 

I also need to know if you are doubting Mr. Griffin’s claim that he called Bank Leumi. We will not go through a one way street in which you demand information and do not confess your mistakes. Mr. Griffin had made several claims which were proven false. Would you like me to point them all out again?

 

They are on film. Even Kathy Johnson claimed that the chant “To Jerusalem we march” during Egypt’s uprising was in Alexandria. Her attempt to refute the fact was also false; it was in Cairo Tahrir Square as Mr. Shoebat stated on camera. Try to find someone that knows what they are talking about instead of telling me about “attribution and balance”.

 

We have been telling the truth so far and provided you with an initial report and will not continue this unless you agree to our request to protect individuals lives and admit your mistakes.

 

Let me know if you agree and we can cooperate TOGETHER or else we should stop our exchange.

 

Keith Davies

From: “Lister, Tim” <Tim.Lister@turner.com>
To: Keith Davies <lalric3@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:58 PM
Subject: RE: Walid Shoebat story

 

Dear Mr Davies

 

Thank-you for your reply. It is my role at CNN to check all reporting for attribution and balance; and to follow up leads that would ensure the most complete coverage of any story.

 

As regards the incident in Bethlehem in 1978, I note that in 3 – F of your original e-mail, you offer contact details for a journalist who has interviewed eyewitnesses. We would be very grateful for those details so as to be able to make every check possible.

 

Sincerely

 

Tim Lister

 


From: Keith Davies [mailto:lalric3@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 4:26 PM
To: Lister, Tim
Subject: Walid Shoebat story

 

 

Dear Mr. Lister,

 

Thanks for your inquiry regarding the vetting process of Mr. Shoebat. I did not see your email of last Wedneaday (sic) till now. Thanks for following up.

 

When we were first contacted by CNN asking for evidence that corroborates Mr. Shoebat’s life account, we were glad, since we felt that you were serious in doing a joint effort in investigating the story and provided you with our initial detailed report. We also contacted our own sources in Israel to do some checking on what Mr. Drew Griffin erroneously claimed that he “personally contacted Bank Leumi” regarding the bombing which we had our contacts in Israel check to only find out that Mr. Griffin’s account was certainly false and that we believe Mr. Griffin had plagiarized his record.

 

We did not reflect this on the entire CNN team, so in our effort to iron this issue out we filed a complaint in which we referred to evidence as to why we believe that Mr. Griffin was being dishonest (see below). We summarized in our emailed letter that: “your investigators never called the bank but relied on a fraudulent article”.

 

We obtained a disappointing reply from Mr. Feder dated June 13, 2011, which stated that: “We stand by the reporting upon which Ms. Johnston and Mr. Griffin based their questioning.  Your assumptions as to their sources have no basis in fact, and your allegations of lying are false and without basis”.

 

Although the response had no details to corroborate Mr. Griffin’s account, we concluded that you stand by your investigation and chose to provide your viewers with this false information since CNN was not able to corroborate Mr. Griffin’s claim.

 

The reason that we are at a loss is that after reading Mr. Feder’s response, which states that Mr. Griffin is being truthful, then Mr. Shoebat’s account must be according to you false.

 

And now we obtain an email that has valid inquiries from you, which if one reads can conclude that CNN is not fully convinced of Mr. Griffin’s account.

 

If you believe Mr. Griffin’s account, then why even continue this investigation? Why not simply make your story as it stands?

 

We are at a loss here since we still would like to presume our corroborated effort in obtaining the facts to provide your viewers.

 

Sincerely

 

Keith Davies,

The Shoebat Foundation

_____________________

 

Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 7:10 PM

Subject: Your e-mail

 

Dear Mr. Davies,

 

Your May 29 email to Christa Robinson and Mark Whitaker has been forwarded to me for a reply.  We will take your concerns under advisement.

 

We stand by the reporting upon which Ms. Johnston and Mr. Griffin based their questioning.  Your assumptions as to their sources have no basis in fact, and your allegations of lying are false and without basis. Your email has been forwarded to CNN’s attorneys.

 

Dear Mr Whitaker:

 

I am filing a formal complaint against two of your “investigative journalists” Drew Griffin and Kathy Johnston for lying to us when they were questioning Mr. Shoebat (my client) in Rapid City SD. Drew Griffin  one of your journalists stated that he received information from a “trusted source” that Mr Shoebat was paid $13,000 for his speech/lecture for the DHS in Rapid City (This is on Camera ) This “trusted source” was CAIR – Council for American Islamic Relations” which has shown many times in the past a biased hatred for Mr. Shoebat and have made many false accusations against him. Even CAIR in their latest release against Mr. Shoebat stated the  correct amount which came day or two after the event in which somebody at the DHS told them the actual figure, which was $5000.

 

The second lie is more serious in which Drew Griffin as well Kathy Johnston in an email confirmed that “CNN contacted Bank Leumi branch which Walid stated he had bombed in Bethlehem in 1976.”  CNN or your investigators never called the bank but relied on a fraudulent article written by a freelance journalist, in his article stated he contacted THE BANK LEUMI, which was the bank Shoebat had bombed. This freelance journalist had an anti Shoebat agenda and his article was published only in the Op Ed column of the Jerusalem Post which the Newspaper later printed a rebuttal. Further we hired an investigator ourselves and the bank branch in question was closed in 1996. The article written by Jorge Luyken in the Jerusalem Post was written in 2008, 12 years later so he could have never called the bank branch in question. Our investigator also contacted Bank Leumi headquarters in Israel who stated they would never release information like this unless one was a customer of the bank.

 

We would appreciate if you can ask these journalists their “trusted sources” internally so that you can determine whether you wish to expose facts to your audiences or slanted bias, egged on by the propaganda of CAIR whom seems to have an alliance which should not be tolerated by any independent media.

 

We asked Kathy Johnston by email the source of the person at Bank Leumi but she was unwilling to provide based on “protecting sources.” We fail to see how the so called source at the Bank Leumi could be in any danger or hurt for revealing a simple fact.  If CNN is serious about the integrity of its news gathering some questions need to be asked concerning the agenda regarding this story as well as verifying for yourself as leaders of CNN News, the integrity of these journalists. If they lie about us then how can they be trusted with other important stories.

 

I look forward to hearing your comments and findings? please indicate when I should receive a complete response?

 

From: “Lister, Tim” <Tim.Lister@turner.com>
To: lalric3@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:25 AM
Subject: Walid Shoebat story

 

Dear Mr Davies

 

Checking that you received this e-mail. Very much hope that you can help with the questions below.

 

Sincerely

 

Tim Lister

 


From: Lister, Tim
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 12:35 PM
To: ‘lalric3@yahoo.com’
Subject: Walid Shoebat story

 

Dear Mr Davies

 

I am involved in the vetting process for a story concerning Mr Walid Shoebat that has been shot by Drew Griffin. His producer Kathleen Johnston passed on to me your long and detailed e-mail of May 27th.

 

Thank-you for the information you have provided. We are still trying to find the answers to several questions.

 

Can I ask you to provide further details as follows?

 

We are having very little luck tracking down any of the Board members of the Forum for Middle East Understanding. If you have any contact information for board members, I would be very grateful for it. I note from IRS Form 990 from 2009 that Lance Silver is listed. Is he still a board member and are there any others?

 

As regards the incident in Bethlehem in 1978, I note that in 3 – F, you offer contact details for a journalist who has interviewed eyewitnesses. We would be very grateful for those details.

 

Do you have any contact details for James al-Yateem, who is referenced in your e-mail and Mr Shoebat’s blog posting of May 18th this year?

 

Similarly, in 4 – C, we have had no luck in accessing Israeli TV archives (which are very incomplete for that time) or in tracking down anyone by the name of Karam Zarour. Could that name be spelt differently? 

 

Are you able to furnish us with any documentary evidence of Mr Shoebat’s convictions in Israeli court?

 

Can you tell us when Mr Shoebat entered the US ? Were US immigration authorities aware of his record of violence on behalf of the PLO?

 

Thank-you for your time – and for helping us pin down as many details as possible about Mr Shoebat’s experiences and background.

 

Sincerely

 

Tim Lister

Executive Editor, CNN

____________________


Click Here To Read Walid Shoebat’s “Confession”…

 

 

Drew Griffin CNN’s “Investigative Journalist” Who Lead the Smear Campaign at the Full Instigation of CAIR is a Proven Liar….

 

Drew Griffin CNN investigative reporter

 

He is exposed by Bill O’Reilly who has an audience 10 times bigger than CNN, I wonder why?

 

We received an unsolicited email from an unimpeachable source that CAIR was fully involved and helped CNN with this smear. Obviously we cannot reveal the name as it would compromise him, which is frustrating for us. CNN are lying when they denied CAIR’s involvement as they did through the whole story.

We need help from you out there: both to write to Anderson Cooper and CNN about your outrage. Keep emails short and professional.

 

We believe his email is: anderson.cooper@turner.com

head of CNN is: mark.whitaker@cnn.com 

You also might like to scour blogs that attack Walid’s credentials and link a positive comment with a link back to: http://shoebat.com/credentials.php

________________________________

Walid Shoebat Accusers use Half-Truth Data to Condemn Him

John R. Houk

© September 21, 2012

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I Was a Terrorist; In Defense of My Identity, Story and Credentials

 

Copyright © 2002-2012, OpEdNews

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I Was a Terrorist; In Defense of My Identity, Story and Credentials

 

© Copyright 2002-2010 Top Executive Media. All rights reserved.

[SlantRight Editor: I am guessing the Shoebat guys have not updated the copyright info yet.]

Islam: Reformation or Transformation


Radical-Moderate Islam

John R. Houk

© March 29, 2011

 

Christopher Logan of Logan’s Warning is very displeased with Brigitte Gabriel’s distinction between Moderate Islam and Radical Islam. Logan is one of those that believe Islam is Islam as is inherent in Islamic holy writings.

 

I have long struggled back and forth internally about the existence of a Moderate Islam. I am fully aware that in America a significant amount of the Muslim community subscribe to America’s concept of constitutional freedom as is guaranteed by the first ten Amendments which are called the Bill of Rights. Of those ten Amendments the First Amendment is the big dog of civil liberty guaranteeing Free Speech, Religious Freedom, Free Press, Free Open Protest, Freedom to petition the government without fear of retribution and no government interference of the practice of religion.

 

I also know that most of the Mosques in America receive their Islamic religious and theological literature from the Saudi Arabian dime. This means that purist Islam of the Wahhabis (and Muslim Brotherhood) niche, which the Western media asserts is a minute minority in Islam, is what American-Muslims read. Also if one ever takes a peek at angry Muslims in Islamic dominated lands it is difficult to believe that those who are supposed to be the Islamic majority subscribe to a moderate interpretation of Islam. When one reads about mass Muslim protests over idiotic cartoons of Mohammed in an unflattering expression, there was not so much a demonstration of a religion of peace and more of a demonstration of  religion threatening violence and calling for murder and revenge on embassies that allowed Mohammed cartoons to be freely published in Western media. Also it is becoming common in Muslim dominated lands for hateful and violent persecution to be executed upon Christians. This violence leads to pogrom-style destruction of Christian Churches and property that often leads to rape and kidnapping of women as well as death to Christians that are in the way of the Islamic pogrom-style madness.

 

Now back to those Muslims that wish us non-Muslims to believe most Muslims are moderate and religion of peace kind of guys, I need to refer to a Muslim that has really become the face of Islamic “reform” in America – Dr. Mohammed Zuhdi Jasser.

 

Dr. Jasser is very anti-Islamist and pro-Moderate Islam. No one disputes his antagonism toward radical Islam and his complaint that the most known Muslim organizations in America have an Islamist and/or Muslim Brotherhood connection. The many that are critical of Dr. Jasser dispute his claim that most Muslims in America are moderate because they don’t actually attend the radicalized Mosques (which seems to be the majority) in America. This criticism goes back to those that believe Islam is Islam as it is recorded in the Quran, Hadith and Sira (combination of Sunna and Hadith). This is the very purist Islam that the Muslims we call radical subscribe to. The actual reform movement in Islam is the call to a return to the Islam established by Mohammed and congealed by the Four Rightly Guided Caliphs. This is the very purist Islam that the Muslims we call radical subscribe to. The reform called by Dr. Jasser is the eschewing of the violent concepts in Political Islam which is the majority portion of Sharia Law. Though many of us kafir (non-Muslims) might call this reform, it is actually a transformative call by Dr. Jasser and the few that follow his (what I believe to be) noble call to change Islam into an actual religion of peace.

 

Dr. Jasser’s assertion that most American-Muslims are moderate is because American-Muslims do not follow the radical Islam that permeates most American Mosques. Dr. Jasser’s critics believe that is a deluded fallacy. Ergo, if Dr. Jasser is preaching a fallacy he must be a deceiving liar. Debbie Schlussel who complains about many prominent exposers of radical Islam as being con artists and/or plagiarists of her journalistic pieces says this about Dr. Jasser:

 

You see, the message Mr. Jasser is spreading is contrary to the one he claims in the movie. The movie warns of the homegrown jihad we’ve been warning about for years, since before 9/11. But Jasser’s statements regularly contradict the movie. He’s two-faced, and a liar. And you simply can’t believe a single piece of fertilizer coming out of his mouth. He openly lied to me in an e-mail, claiming he’d never discussed a topic on Detroit radio, which he expressly did discuss on the air for a full half-hour.


Jasser has consistently appeared on Detroit radio shows and TV and radio shows around the country, saying the usual bullcrap, i.e., that Islam is a peaceful religion, that the majority of Muslims are peaceful because they don’t belong to a mosque, that CAIR and MPAC and ISNA, etc. don’t represent Islam.

 

 

Sorry, but that’s baloney. Islam is not peaceful. Whether or not Muslims belong to a mosque is not the determinant of their radicalism, only an adding factor. I know some extremely secular Muslims who drink alcohol and haven’t been to a mosque in decades. But they love Hezbollah and HAMAS and hate Jews, Christians, America, and Israel. If the majority of Muslims are really peaceful and don’t support terrorist groups, why did I see ten thousand Muslims–during the workday–marching on the streets of Dearborn and Detroit in support of Hezbollah and HAMAS in both 2006 and early 2009? Why do Bin Laden, HAMAS, Hezbollah, Ahmadinejad, and Nasrallah remain the most popular figures and entities in poll after poll of Muslims? Why do a third of young American Muslims support homicide bombings?

 

Dr. Jasser was kicked out of his mosque in Arizona, a pretty good sign that Islam is, in fact, radical, and they don’t want his pretentious claim otherwise. I’m sorry, but CAIR, ISNA, and MPAC do represent Islam more than he does. Far more, despite his claims otherwise. It’s like when Communist fantasists and utopians used to tell me that I can’t judge Communism by its manifestation and practice in the Soviet Union or Cuba or China, because they don’t practice “real” Communism and don’t represent this silent, imaginary majority of Communists worldwide who love peace and don’t throw people in jail for a life of torture for writing a poem. Sorry, Zuhdi, but you know better. And yet, you continue to lie. I asked Jasser how many Muslim members he has in his organization, the “American Islamic Forum for Democracy,” and he didn’t respond. He’s told others it’s about 100. That’s not even negligible. It’s downright embarrassing.

 

Not negligible are the speaking fees and other payments and funding Dr. Jasser is getting from this speaking tour, a good chunk of it courtesy of the Clarion Foundation, which in using him as its two-faced spokesman seems not to heed its own eponymous clarion call. I dream (and will forever dream) of the day we will see a Muslim (which means an ex-Muslim) or an Arab who is actually putting forth a consistent, truthful, truly peaceful message . . . and not some uninformed double-talk, milked as a money-making enterprise. Jasser, Hanan Tudor a/k/a “Brigitte Gabriel,” Walid Shoebat, and other frauds have all made a mint after they opened up shop post-9/11 (and lying about what and who they are). Before then, they were nowhere to be seen. Apparently, the underside of the rock was quite cozy ’til then, but afterward the outside suddenly became far “greener.” (The Sad Truth About Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser–Star, Narrator, & Producer of “The Third Jihad” Mar. 12, 2009 2:45 PM)

 

As you can see Schlussel is not pleased with a lot of people that actually have the same agenda of exposing Islam. Schlussel seems to believe that any defense of the existence of “Moderate Islam” must have an agenda of self-aggrandizement for gain; thus the Gabriels, the Jassers and the Shoebats criticizing Radical Islam deceive to make money because they lie or are plagiarizing the Schlussel journalism. Honestly I believe every one of the people Schlussel castigates has accomplished a great service in exposing the agenda of Islam in America. I have never heard that Brigitte Gabriel’s name is Hanan Tudor (Where did that come from?). If Gabriel had an alternative name, what is the implication?

 

I have kind of taken the middle road about the nature of Islam. According to Islamic holy writings that affect non-Muslims, the religion of Islam is evil. Muslims that declare they practice a moderate path of Islam simply means that Moderate Muslims wittingly or unwittingly disregard the portions of Islam that are doom and gloom in this present physical time for non-Muslims. All Muslims that call for a return to the practices of the early days of Islam are calling for a reformation to the pure days of Islam. The Muslims that call for an updated or a modernized Islam are calling for the elimination of the portions that call for defending the faith with a good physical offence (i.e. with violence) to propagate or to force submission of non-Muslims to the supremacy of Allah and Islam. Frankly my friends if you find a Muslim that denies that all of the examples of the perfect man, their prophet Mohammed, that Muslim person is part of a very miniscule minority in which the Muslim will find their life is endangered.

 

Does this mean that Muslims no matter how few they are, such as Dr. Jasser, should be criticized because they have a vision for an Islam that is actually a religion of peace in more than in mere deceptive propaganda? As long as the desire for a new kind of Islam exists among Muslims, it will be a noble desire.

 

I have to admit I sense it is a bit of dangerous territory for non-Muslims to believe in an Islamic transformation. Multicultural diverse Leftists that are deluded about the validity of all cultures whether evil, good or foreign are understandable. However, for Conservatives and those that wish to expose the nature of Islam by writing about the tenets of radical Islam as distinct from Islam itself is a path with good intentions yet probably doomed to failure. The only way for a transformed Islam is for a charismatic figure within the substructure of the Islamic faith that has the ability to catch the mind of Muslims to abandon the medieval-intolerant-global empire mindset of purist Islam. I am afraid such a person would be a miracle for both Muslims and non-Muslims alike. It would be a miracle for Muslims in the sense that the Clerics are self-indoctrinated and they indoctrinate their followers that Islam is pure and all else is false; even if the defense of the faith requires a violent action to correct even the least insult to Islam, Mohammed and Allah. Centuries of Islamic programming among Muslims has entrenched intolerance and Islamic Supremacy into their minds. I dare say that non-Muslims living in Muslim dominated lands have also been brainwashed to the point of accepting the supremacy of Islam; i.e. in following the rules of Sharia as it applies to non-Muslims not offending anything to do with Islam. So a Muslim willfully believes a dhimmi or pseudo-dhimmi life is better Islam. The offering of basic human right to religious freedom, free speech and freedom of conscious is anathema to the Islamic Supremacist mind especially in Muslim dominated lands.

 

In this sense Debbie Schlussel’s castigation of Brigitte Gabriel (Christian from Lebanon) and Walid Shoebat (Converted Christian and former Palestinian terrorist) might be a bit justified except for her use of bridge burning words that offends an ally in exposing Islam. It also brings one to an understanding of Christopher Logan’s frustration with Brigitte Gabriel and Dr. Jasser for looking for a Moderate Islam.

 

There was a serious effort in the nineteenth century to transform Islam away from its violent nature. Islamic Supremacism marginalized and persecuted that transformation attempt. The attempt of transformation was initiated by an Iranian by the name of Sayyid ‘Ali Muhammad Shirazi. Shirazi declared himself to be the Bab which translated into English means the gate or gateway or doorway and probably other synonyms I didn’t take time to look for. The Bab imagined himself to be the Hidden Twelfth Imam of the Twelver portion of Shias who are predominantly Iranian (once called Persians). The Bab’s effort to declare himself the Hidden Imam was a transformation movement within Shia Islam. Here is a summary of the Bab’s idea of Islamic transformation:

 

Babism (bä’bizum) [key], system of doctrines proclaimed in Persia in 1844 by Ali Muhammad of Shiraz. Influenced by the Shaykhi Shiite theology that viewed the Twelve Imams as incarnations of the Divine, Ali Muhammad proclaimed himself the Bab, the living door to the twelth Imam and the knowledge of God, and sent missionaries throughout Persia. He also announced a series of revelations, detailing the cosmogonic sequence, abrogating Islamic obligations and replacing them by a new set, structured around esoteric concepts such as the importance of the number 19. The year was hence divided into 19 months of 19 days each; the community was led by a council of 19 members. The movement placed special emphasis on the coming of the Promised One, who would embody all the tenets of the new religion. In 1848 the movement declared its complete secession from Islam and all its rites; upon the accession of a new shah, the Babi (the Bab’s followers) rose in insurrection and were defeated. Many of the leaders were killed, and the Bab was executed at Tabriz in 1850. Two years later, after an attempt on the life of the shah, there followed more persecutions. In 1863 the Babi were removed to Constantinople and later to Adrianople and Cyprus. After 1868 one group had its center in Acre under the leadership of Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri (known as Baha Ullah), the founder of the Baha’i faith, who declared himself the Promised One. (Babism; Fact Monster)

 

 

When the Bab was captured and tried for heresy by the Twelvers and imprisoned, the Babi followers went off on a jihad that turned into a Persian civil war. During this time the Bab was executed by firing squad. The Babi Jihad went on for a couple of years until it was ruthlessly put down resulting in the deaths of most of the leadership and thousands of Babis. One of the survivors of the lost Babi revolution was Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri. Husayn Ali was disturbed by the violence of the Bab, Babism and Islam. After a period of hiding Husayn Ali eventually ended up Acre (Akka and present day Israel) of the Syrian Magistrate of the Ottoman Empire. Husayn Ali was part of a split between the Babis. At that time a greater amount of Babis joined Husayn Ali’s version of a spiritual evolution of the Bab’s teaching. Husayn Ali became Baha’u’llah the founder of the Baha’i faith.

 

Baha’i is a religious movement founded in the 19th century by the Persian Bahaullah. It claims members in practically every country of the world. Objecting to polygamy, slavery of any kind, religious prejudices, and politicized religion, Baha’is call for world peace and harmony. The ideals of a world federalist government and a new world language are also a part of their teachings. Recognition of the common ground of all religions is seen as fostering this move toward global unity; Krishna, Buddha, Moses, Zarathustra, Jesus, and Muhammad are all recognized as divine manifestations, a series of prophets culminating in Bahaullah. Nonresistance, respect for persons, and legal recognition of the equal rights of both sexes constitute additional aspects of Baha’i teaching.

 

Baha’u’llah survived brief imprisonment in Iran/Persia and then was exiled to the Ottoman Empire who basically imprisoned him or placed on virtual house arrest for the rest of his life. Effectively Baha’u’llah was persecuted as a heretic from Islam by both the Shias of his homeland and the Sunnis of the Ottoman Empire.

 

Considering all that had happened in the 48 years beginning with the declaration of the Báb in 1844, Bahá’u’lláh’s passing on May 29, 1892 at about 3:00 A.M. might seem anticlimactic. He died quietly at the age of 75, still marginally a prisoner but permitted to live outside the walls of Akká in a mansion known as Bahjí. The relative tranquility of His final days on Earth stand in marked contrast to the tumult that had surrounded Him for much of His life, yet it proved to be merely the calm before another storm for ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, His oldest son and appointed successor. (Read the rest of essay at Reflections on the Ascension of Bahá’u’lláh; Dale E. Lehman; Revised: 05/25/2001)

 

From a Christian perspective Baha’i is part of the many paths that are wide and lead to the destruction of the soul in which the human spirit is in danger of experiencing the second and final death. From an Islamic perspective Baha’i is the transformative path that would truly evolve Islam into a religion of peace.

 

Reformation in Islam is a return to Mohammed’s wickedness. A transformation in Islam will lead to the Mecca-Mohammed before the Hegira to Medina in which Mohammed became mad with power. Without that transformation there will be definitely a clash of civilizations between the West and the violent culture that is Islam.

 

JRH 3/29/11