Why would a Conservative Christian Vote for Trump?


Trump wack-a-mole game

John R. Houk

© May 30, 2016

 

I have never claimed Donald Trump was a perfect candidate for President. Indeed, I was a Cruzer right up until he suspended his campaign after he did the math. From a Conservative perspective Ted Cruz was nearly the perfect candidate:

 

Unrepentant Conservative in principles: Less government, NO income tax, dissolve the IRS, Pro-Life, Devout Christian, Pro-Israel, Strong Military, Stop illegal immigration, Tough on Islamic terrorism and anti-establishment and more.

 

Trump is probably not a devout Christian BUT he is not a hater of those who are devout Christians as most Leftist Dems – including Obama and Hillary – in fact do everything to diminish America’s Christian ethos.

 

My son is a Never-Trump Christian Conservative who is very displeased with all Conservatives who have begun supporting Trump for POTUS. Needless to say he is very unhappy with me.

 

I do like some of the things Trump has said even if it sounds a bit incredulous. At least he has abandoned political correctness to stick with “Make America Great”: a strong military, build a southern border wall, stop Muslim immigration and Muslim refugees until they are thoroughly vetted as NOT being anti-American-culture and subversive Caliphate globalists. These Trump points alone are a slap in the face of Obama’s degenerative agenda to transform America. THE SAME POLICY Hillary would continue to the detriment of the USA!

 

My son pointed me to a Never-Trump article entitled, “Dear Christian Leaders, You’re Playing a Very Dangerous Game” by one of my son’s favorite Conservative pundits in Steve Deace. Essentially Deace is concerned that Christian leaders would even think of placing their support behind a man of poor character such Donald Trump.

 

After expressing his concerns Deace turns to Scripture in Exodus 18 and makes this quote as his premise for Never-Trump:

 

Moreover, look for able men from all the people, men who fear God, who are trustworthy and hate a bribe, and place such men over the people as chiefs of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties, and of tens.

 

Steve fails to give Bible and verse in this quote but points to the NIV portion of the entire chapter 18 of Exodus in a link. The irony is there is a bit of difference from the version Deace quotes and that which he links to.

 

Now here is the full context of the quote from the NIV that Steve Deace linked to:

 

13 The next day Moses took his seat to serve as judge for the people, and they stood around him from morning till evening. 14 When his father-in-law [i.e. Jethro the Kenite Midianite Priest] saw all that Moses was doing for the people, he said, “What is this you are doing for the people? Why do you alone sit as judge, while all these people stand around you from morning till evening?”

 

15 Moses answered him, “Because the people come to me to seek God’s will. 16 Whenever they have a dispute, it is brought to me, and I decide between the parties and inform them of God’s decrees and instructions.”

 

17 Moses’ father-in-law replied, “What you are doing is not good. 18 You and these people who come to you will only wear yourselves out. The work is too heavy for you; you cannot handle it alone. 19 Listen now to me and I will give you some advice, and may God be with you. You must be the people’s representative before God and bring their disputes to him. 20 Teach them his decrees and instructions, and show them the way they are to live and how they are to behave. 21 But select capable men from all the people—men who fear God, trustworthy men who hate dishonest gain—and appoint them as officials over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens. 22 Have them serve as judges for the people at all times, but have them bring every difficult case to you; the simple cases they can decide themselves. That will make your load lighter, because they will share it with you. 23 If you do this and God so commands, you will be able to stand the strain, and all these people will go home satisfied.”

 

24 Moses listened to his father-in-law and did everything he said. 25 He chose capable men from all Israel and made them leaders of the people, officials over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens. 26 They served as judges for the people at all times. The difficult cases they brought to Moses, but the simple ones they decided themselves. (Bold Text Editor’s Emphasis – Exodus 18: 13-26 NIV)

 

I am guessing Deace’s biggest problem with Trump is the potentiality of not being God-fearing, not trustworthy and a recipient of dishonest gain. Deace cites these examples that demonstrate Trump as a man lacking the godly principles set out in Exodus 18:

 

Now that we’ve addressed the biblical case, what about the moral one?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Steve Deace provided a link for each judged accusation. Let’s look at those links and see if there is any silver lining that still makes Trump a “capable man” in the language of the NIV Bible:

 

Scam Artist: Deace goes to the National Review which is no Conservative friend of Trump (and neither was I a friend when the NR began attacking him) – “Yes, Trump University Was a Massive Scam

 

First thing first, Trump University was never a university. When the “school” was established in 2005, the New York State Education Department warned that it was in violation of state law for operating without a NYSED license. Trump ignored the warnings. (The institution is now called, ahem, “Trump Entrepreneur Initiative.”) Cue lawsuits.

Trump University is currently the defendant in three lawsuits — two class-action lawsuits filed in California, and one filed in New York …

 

 

How could that have happened? The New York suit offers a suggestion:

 

The free seminars were the first step in a bait and switch to induce prospective students to enroll in increasingly expensive seminars starting with the three-day $1495 seminar and ultimately one of respondents’ advanced seminars such as the “Gold Elite” program costing $35,000.

 

At the “free” 90-minute introductory seminars to which Trump University advertisements and solicitations invited prospective students, Trump University instructors engaged in a methodical, systematic series of misrepresentations designed to convince students to sign up for the Trump University three-day seminar at a cost of $1495.

 

 

To do that, instructors touted Trump’s own promises: that students would be “mentored” by “handpicked” real-estate experts, who would use Trump’s own real-estate strategies. …

 

[Blog Editor: after this point there are a series of Youtube videos used to drive home the point of Trump scam artist. Of the videos three are blocked from showing telling the reader they are now marked as “private”. Could it be there might be some legal problems against the videos?]

 

 

Meanwhile, Trump — who maintains that Trump University was “a terrific school that did a fantastic job” — has tried to bully his opponents out of the suit. Lawyers for Tarla Makaeff have requested a protective order from the court “to protect her from further retaliation.” According to court documents, Trump has threatened to sue Makaeff personally, as well as her attorneys. He’s already brought a $100 million counterclaim against the New York attorney general’s office.

 

… (Yes, Trump University Was a Massive Scam; By IAN TUTTLE; National Review; 2/26/16 5:18 PM)

 

Yup, there is really nothing to defend the Trump U scam. If Trump was promoting a school on Trump principles in business, he could argue that those who failed to make good business decisions with those principles have themselves to blame. But apparently the salesmen for recruiting students, used some kind of “playbook” with principles of hooking a buyer with illegitimate promises combining a business education. No one can make a promise insuring success, rather only a promise to provide the tools to make sound choices that may or may not lead to success. I have to give Deace a plus on this one. However, Americans have to decide if a man that has managed to become a billionaire then go bankrupt, then become a billionaire again is not capable of making different decisions to overcome previous bad decisions.

 

After nearly eight years of Leftist Dem hubris that a socialized America with humanistic ideology has made America great, I have to give Trump a shot at looking at a different path. Crooked Hillary will simply continue the downward spiral of cultural and economic collapse of America with a transformist concept differing from the Founding Fathers’ vision. Ergo the civil suit does not change my mind.

 

Consider Nebuchadnezzar. The ten northern Hebrew tribes under the King of Israel was given up to conquest by Assyria because of the Northern Kingdom’s spiral into immorality and rejection of the God who delivered them from bondage in Egypt. That left the two tribes that formed the Southern Kingdom of Judah. Roughly one hundred years later Judah’s leaders were leading that nation to the point of no return in the sight of God. When the leadership of Judah rejected the insights of God given by the Prophets of God, Judah also lost their right to have a governing nation. God sent an unbelieving polytheist conqueror named Nebuchadnezzar who emptied Judah of its leadership families, educated families and Priestly families and sent them to Babylon. Perhaps Trump is America’s Nebuchadnezzar giving Americans a wake-up call to abandon humanistic ungodly ideology and return to God’s morality of purpose:

 

And command them to say to their masters, “Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel—thus you shall say to your masters: ‘I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are on the ground, by My great power and by My outstretched arm, and have given it to whom it seemed proper to Me. And now I have given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, My servant; and the beasts of the field I have also given him to serve him. (Jeremiah 27: 4-6 NKJV)

 

Gossip: Deace here is referencing the Trump camp pushing Ted Cruz had some extramarital affairs: “5 Things You Need To Know About #CruzSexScandal” –

 

… They’re firmly convinced that the National Enquirer’s anonymously sourced story alleging that Cruz has had extramarital affairs with at least five women must be true. …

 

 

  1. Trump’s People Have Been Pushing The Story.Trump has a long, friendly history with the CEO of the National Enquirer, as Gabe Sherman of New York Magazine pointed out back in October:

 

 

  1. Katrina Pierson, One Of The National Enquirer’s Women, Has Denied The Story.Pierson, … She would have every interest in confirming the story, given that it would put an end to Cruz’s presidential hopes and, indeed, his entire career. Yet here’s what she’s tweeted this morning about the Enquirerstory:

 

What’s worse? People who actually believe the trash in tabloids, or the ones who know it’s false &spread it anyway? #stupidity on all levels

 

  1. Amanda Carpenter, Another Of The National Enquirer’s Women, Has Denied The Story.

 

  1. The Cruz Super PAC That Donated Money To The Carly Fiorina Campaign Almost Certainly Didn’t Do It To Shut Up Sarah Isgur Flores.

 

  1. Cruz Has Denied The Story, And Blamed The Trump Campaign For The Smear.

 

 

UPDATE: Trump has now responded in his own typically bombastic manner:

View image on Twitter

Trump Responds to Cruz Accusations on National Enquirer Story

Trump Responds to Cruz Accusations on National Enquirer Story

 

(5 Things You Need To Know About #CruzSexScandal; By BEN SHAPIRO; The Daily Wire; 3/25/16)

 

I believe Ted because well, he’s Ted. Ben Shapiro posts the Trump denial as if we shouldn’t believe him because well, he’s the Donald. Ben you have to prove Trump ordered the story just like Trump and the National Enquirer would have had to prove that Ted Cruz was an adulterer. There is and was no proof from anyone’s camp. It all falls on the National Enquirer.

 

But you have to ask yourself if Trump or someone in his campaign did push an untrue story, why would he do so? Because Trump believed the Cruz campaign posted some photos of Trump’s wife Melania with a nude model, shot in bad taste with the epithet that went something like, “This could be your First Lady.”

 

Trump typically lost his New York temper. Who do you think he was going to blame? Of course Ted denied he had anything to do with disparaging Melania Trump. So Trump posted an unflattering photo of Ted’s wife Heidi Cruz beside Melania. Then Ted went ballistic. Then somewhere in there, Trump says he’ll spill the beans on Heidi which never came to light as far as I know. The point is Trump isn’t the only gossip. Yet the Never-Trump people never talk about the other gossipers in politics. Let’s be consistent.
Slanderer: This is more Trump vs. Cruz tit-for-tat. I assure you if Donald was attacked he would not attack back: “Trump accuses Cruz’s father of helping JFK’s assassin” –

 

Donald Trump on Tuesday alleged that Ted Cruz’s father was with John F. Kennedy’s assassin shortly before he murdered the president, parroting a National Enquirer story claiming that Rafael Cruz was pictured with Lee Harvey Oswald handing out pro-Fidel Castro pamphlets in New Orleans in 1963.

… (Trump accuses Cruz’s father of helping JFK’s assassin; By NOLAN D. MCCASKILL; Politico; 5/3/16 07:36 AM EDT)

 

Even if that was true and it is not, what does or did that have to do with today’s Ted Cruz? So why did Trump pop-off with another tabloid-sourced accusation that is easier to disprove than to prove? Here’s the New York reasoning of Donald Trump:

 

After Ted Cruz’s father Rafael pleaded with believing Christians to support his son, Trump slammed him, saying that it was a disgrace for Cruz to say that the election of Trump could contribute to the destruction of America. Rafael Cruz had stated from the pulpit:

 

I implore, I exhort every member of the body of Christ to vote according to the word of God and vote for the candidate that stands on the word of God and on the Constitution of the United States of America. And I am convinced that man is my son, Ted Cruz. The alternative could be the destruction of America.

 

Stung, Trump pouted:

 

I think it’s a disgrace that he’s allowed to do it. I think it’s a disgrace that he’s allowed to say it … You look at so many of the ministers that are backing me, and they’re backing me more so than they’re backing Cruz, and I’m winning the evangelical vote. It’s disgraceful that his father can go out and do that. And just — and so many people are angry about it. And the evangelicals are angry about it, the way he does that. But I think it’s horrible. I think it’s absolutely horrible that a man can go and do that, what he’s saying there. (Trump Says Cruz’s Father Shouldn’t Be ‘Allowed’ To Say Mean Things About Him; By HANK BERRIEN; The Daily Wire; 5/3/16)

 

Trump took Pastor Rafael’s plea to vote for his son Ted amidst an Evangelical crowd as a slight interpreting “The alternative could be the destruction of America” as an unnamed slight to himself rather perhaps to Hillary. I wasn’t there so I don’t know the context of Pastor Rafael’s speech. If it was a Trump slight, I do understand the Trump response. The response goes, “You hit me I hit back harder.” The response valid or invalid is what has attracted voters to Trump. It’s kind of like the disagreements people have in a living discussion. It’s plain speaking. People like plain spoken.

 

Trump as a Misogynist: Here Deace uses People Magazine, alluding that Trump is a misogynist because defending his wife by attacking the wife of the candidate he believed slighted Melania, makes Trump a misogynist. Then the People post provides a lesson in a happy marriage message. Since People believes all the tit-for-tat is all Trump’s doing and nothing to do with Ted defending his wife Heidi, then Trump needs this good marriage advice. Apparently Deace feels since Trump must need marriage advice he must be a misogynist: “Doubling Down, Donald Trump Tweets a My-Wife’s-Prettier-Than Yours Meme Featuring Heidi Cruz – and Ted Fires Back”.

 

I think Steve Deace should have found a better to prove Trump misogynism. The only thing Deace could find was either Trump defending his wife or counter-attacking a lady (e.g. Fiorina or Hillary) for attacking him. Ergo misogynist disproved in this case.

 

Trump as an adulterer: Deace offers no proof or even an accusation from another woman or a cuckcolded husband, but turns to an innocuous quote from Trump’s book The Art of the Deal. Deace uses The rightscoop as his adulterer source: “Here’s when Trump BRAGGED in his book about his MULTIPLE AFFAIRS with wealthy married women!” –

 

The Daily Beast has the quote:

 

“In The Art of the Deal, Trump boasted about bedding other men’s wives.

‘“If I told the real stories of my experiences with women, often seemingly very happily married and important women, this book would be a guaranteed best-seller,” he wrote.’” (Here’s when Trump BRAGGED in his book about his MULTIPLE AFFAIRS with wealthy married women! By [This pseudonym is hilarious] SooperMexican; The rightscoop; 3/25/16 9:20 AM)

 

I have a huge problem with adultery even those who may brag in jest to inflate their manhood. Nevertheless, it is apparent Trump parted ways with previous marriages on good terms and his marriage with Melania appears solid at the very least evidenced by Trump’s rash defenses of her honor. I find it unfortunate that Steve Deace is stooping to Dem Party standards to smear Donald Trump.

 

Is Trump a Deceiver: In high stakes business I have no doubts that Donald Trump used his share of smoke and mirrors in making deals. Again no one thinks Trump is a devout Christian. He is a secular minded fellow that DOES NOT discount Christianity as the American Left has gone to great measures to do to transform America into a Socialist-Humanistic culture. If you actually listen carefully to the CNN video at the top of this post, the newscasters are doing the misdirection and smoke and mirror deception. They correctly state that Trump opted out of the last GOP debate in favor of a Veterans fundraiser. The CNN deception is on how they reported on the disbursement of Six Million Dollars Trump claims he raised. When listening carefully, only ONE charity claims they did not receive any money. ALL the rest claimed they received money and ONLY one of those charities disclosed the amount. And makes Trump a deceiver, how? “Trump campaign admits it did not raise $6 million for veterans” –

 

CNN VIDEO on Youtube: Did veterans group get millions raised by Trump?

 

 

Posted by CNN

Published on Mar 3, 2016

Donald Trump says he raised six million dollars for veterans including a million dollars of his own money. CNN’s Drew Griffin has been tracking down the donations.

 

 

The list showed that the majority of the money that had been donated at that time came from Trump’s foundation or the foundations of two of his friends, businessman Carl Icahn and pharmaceutical billionaire Stewart J. Rahr.

 

The campaign did not identify any contributors Friday who pledged funds without following through in actual donations.

 

Charities that have benefited from the fundraiser include Fisher House Foundation, Green Beret Foundation and Disabled American Veterans, while others, such as Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, said they did not want to receive any of the contributions. (Trump campaign admits it did not raise $6 million for veterans; By Curt Devine; CNN; 5/20/16 Updated 6:55 PM ET)

 

Where in the world in this article or video does ANYONE in the Trump campaign ADMIT that “$6 million” was NOT raised for veterans? The only Trump campaign admission ranged from uncertain to the exact amount to a guess of about $4.5 million. Talk about deception! This why I often say the acronym for CNN stands for the Communist News Network.

 

Is Trump a liar? Steve Deace goes to The Daily Wire which claims to provide 101 absolute lies Donald Trump. I’m not going to go through all 101 accusations. Frankly that would take too much of my time to see if Trump told a flagrant lie, made a mistake, said something taken out of context or told the absolute truth. I have to wonder if The Daily Wire is going to go through all the lies Hillary (and Bill) told to the American public and measure her verbiage as outright lie, mistaken, taken out of context or (chuckle) told the absolute truth?

 

The article Deace goes to is “Lyin’ Donald: 101 Of Trump’s Greatest Lies”. If the next 100 accusations are as flimsy as the first listed accusation, one has to wonder on the integrity of The Daily Wire

 

  1. March 30: Trump claims MSNBC edited their released version of his interview with Chris Matthews in which Trump stumbled on abortion: “You really ought to hear the whole thing. I mean, this is a long convoluted question. This was a long discussion, and they just cut it out. And, frankly, it was extremely — it was really convoluted.” Nope; that was a lie. (Lyin’ Donald: 101 Of Trump’s Greatest Lies; By HANK BERRIEN; The Daily Wire; 4/11/16)

 

Hmm… The accused lie is that MSNBC edited the Chris Matthews-Donald Trump conversation to make Trump look bad. However, the real problem Trump has is being made to look bad for saying quite haphazardly that women that seek an abortion should be punished. Huh… Maybe Deace would have had a better chance with the misogynistic accusation if he went to the abortion issue in this conversation. The Dems and the Pro-Choice (i.e. women can have a doctor kill their unborn baby as a birth control method) think such Trump thoughts are misogynistic.

 

So I’m going to share the MSNBC transcript the begins with abortion rather than the entire transcript:

 

MATTHEWS:  OK, look, I’m monopolizing here.

 

Let’s go, young lady?

 

TRUMP:  Hello.

 

QUESTION:  Hello. I am (inaudible) and have a question on, what is your stance on women’s rights and their rights to choose in their own reproductive health?

 

TRUMP:  OK, well look, I mean, as you know, I’m pro-life.  Right, I think you know that, and I — with exceptions, with the three exceptions.  But pretty much, that’s my stance.  Is that OK?  You understand?

 

MATTHEWS:  What should the law be on abortion?

 

TRUMP:  Well, I have been pro-life.

 

MATTHEWS:  I know, what should the law — I know your principle, that’s a good value.  But what should be the law?

 

TRUMP:  Well, you know, they’ve set the law and frankly the judges — I mean, you’re going to have a very big election coming up for that reason, because you have judges where it’s a real tipping point.

 

MATTHEWS:  I know.

 

TRUMP:  And with the loss the Scalia, who was a very strong conservative…

 

MATTHEWS:  I understand.

 

TRUMP:  … this presidential election is going to be very important, because when you say, “what’s the law, nobody knows what’s the law going to be.  It depends on who gets elected, because somebody is going to appoint conservative judges and somebody is going to appoint liberal judges, depending on who wins.

 

MATTHEWS:  I know.  I never understood the pro-life position.

 

TRUMP:  Well, a lot of people do understand.

 

MATTHEWS:  I never understood it.  Because I understand the principle, it’s human life as people see it.

 

TRUMP:  Which it is.

 

MATTHEWS:  But what crime is it?

 

TRUMP:  Well, it’s human life.

 

MATTHEWS:  No, should the woman be punished for having an abortion?

 

TRUMP:  Look…

 

MATTHEWS:  This is not something you can dodge.

 

TRUMP:  It’s a — no, no…

 

MATTHEWS:  If you say abortion is a crime or abortion is murder, you have to deal with it under law.  Should abortion be punished?

 

TRUMP:  Well, people in certain parts of the Republican Party and Conservative Republicans would say, “yes, they should be punished.”

 

MATTHEWS:  How about you?

 

TRUMP:  I would say that it’s a very serious problem.  And it’s a problem that we have to decide on.  It’s very hard.

 

MATTHEWS:  But you’re for banning it?

 

TRUMP:  I’m going to say — well, wait.  Are you going to say, put them in jail?  Are you — is that the (inaudible) you’re talking about?

 

MATTHEWS:  Well, no, I’m asking you because you say you want to ban it.  What does that mean?

 

TRUMP:  I would — I am against — I am pro-life, yes.

 

MATTHEWS:  What is ban — how do you ban abortion?  How do you actually do it?

 

TRUMP:  Well, you know, you will go back to a position like they had where people will perhaps go to illegal places.

 

MATTHEWS:  Yes?

 

TRUMP:  But you have to ban it.

 

MATTHEWS:  You banning, they go to somebody who flunked out of medical school.

 

TRUMP:  Are you Catholic?

 

MATTHEWS:  Yes, I think…

 

TRUMP:  And how do you feel about the Catholic Church’s position?

 

MATTHEWS:  Well, I accept the teaching authority of my Church on moral issues.

 

TRUMP:  I know, but do you know their position on abortion?

 

MATTHEWS:  Yes, I do.

 

TRUMP:  And do you concur with the position?

 

MATTHEWS:  I concur with their moral position but legally, I get to the question — here’s my problem with it…

 

(LAUGHTER)

 

TRUMP:  No, no, but let me ask you, but what do you say about your Church?

 

MATTHEWS:  It’s not funny.

 

TRUMP:  Yes, it’s really not funny.

 

What do you say about your church?  They’re very, very strong.

 

MATTHEWS:  They’re allowed to — but the churches make their moral judgments, but you running for president of the United States will be chief executive of the United States.  Do you believe…

 

TRUMP:  No, but…

 

MATTHEWS:  Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no as a principle?

 

TRUMP:  The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.

 

MATTHEWS:  For the woman?

 

TRUMP:  Yes, there has to be some form.

 

MATTHEWS:  Ten cents?  Ten years?  What?

 

TRUMP:  Let me just tell you — I don’t know.  That I don’t know.  That I don’t know.

 

MATTHEWS:  Why not?

 

TRUMP:  I don’t know.

 

MATTHEWS:  You take positions on everything else.

 

TRUMP:  Because I don’t want to — I frankly, I do take positions on everything else.  It’s a very complicated position.

 

MATTHEWS:  But you say, one, that you’re pro-life meaning that you want to ban it.

 

TRUMP:  But wait a minute, wait a minute.  But the Catholic Church is pro-life.

 

MATTHEWS:  I’m not talking about my religion.

 

TRUMP:  No, no, I am talking about your religion.  Your religion — I mean, you say that you’re a very good Catholic.  Your religion is your life.  Let me ask you this…

 

MATTHEWS:  I didn’t say very good.  I said I’m Catholic.

 

(LAUGHTER)

 

And secondly, I’m asking — you’re running for President.

 

TRUMP:  No, no…

 

MATTHEWS:  I’m not.

 

TRUMP:  Chris — Chris.

 

MATTHEWS:  I’m asking you, what should a woman face if she chooses to have an abortion?

 

TRUMP:  I’m not going to do that.

 

MATTHEWS:  Why not?

 

TRUMP:  I’m not going to play that game.

 

MATTHEWS:  Game?

 

TRUMP:  You have…

 

MATTHEWS: You said you’re pro-life.

 

TRUMP:  I am pro-life.

 

MATTHEWS: That means banning abortion.

 

TRUMP:  And so is the Catholic Church pro-life.

 

MATTHEWS:  But they don’t control the — this isn’t Spain, the Church doesn’t control the government.

 

TRUMP:  What is the punishment under the Catholic Church?  What is the…

 

MATTHEWS: Let me give something from the New Testament, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”  Don’t ask me about my religion.

 

TRUMP:  No, no…

 

MATTHEWS:  I’m asking you.  You want to be president of the United States.

 

TRUMP:  You told me that…

 

MATTHEWS:  You tell me what the law should be.

 

TRUMP:  I have — I have not determined…

 

MATTHEWS:  Just tell me what the law should be.  You say you’re pro-life.

 

TRUMP:  I am pro-life.

 

MATTHEWS:  What does that mean?

 

TRUMP:  With exceptions.  I am pro-life.

 

I have not determined what the punishment would be.

 

MATTHEWS:  Why not?

 

TRUMP:  Because I haven’t determined it.

 

MATTHEWS:  When you decide to be pro-life, you should have thought of it.  Because…

 

TRUMP:  No, you could ask anybody who is pro-life…

 

MATTHEWS:  OK, here’s the problem — here’s my problem with this, if you don’t have a punishment for abortion — I don’t believe in it, of course — people are going to find a way to have an abortion.

 

TRUMP:  You don’t believe in what?

 

MATTHEWS:  I don’t believe in punishing anybody for having an abortion.

 

TRUMP:  OK, fine.  OK, (inaudible).

 

MATTHEWS:  Of course not.  I think it’s a woman’s choice.

 

TRUMP:  So you’re against the teachings of your Church?

 

MATTHEWS:  I have a view — a moral view — but I believe we live in a free country, and I don’t want to live in a country so fascistic that it could stop a person from making that decision.

 

TRUMP:  But then you are…

 

MATTHEWS:  That would be so invasive.

 

TRUMP:  I know but I’ve heard you speaking…

 

MATTHEWS:  So determined of a society that I wouldn’t able — one we are familiar with.  And Donald Trump, you wouldn’t be familiar with.

 

TRUMP:  But I’ve heard you speaking so highly about your religion and your Church.

 

MATTHEWS:  Yes.

 

TRUMP:  Your Church is very, very strongly as you know, pro-life.

 

MATTHEWS:  I know.

 

TRUMP:  What do you say to your Church?

 

MATTHEWS:  I say, I accept your moral authority.  In the United States, the people make the decision, the courts rule on what’s in the Constitution, and we live by that.  That’s why I say.

 

TRUMP:  Yes, but you don’t live by it because you don’t accept it. You can’t accept it.  You can’t accept it.  You can’t accept it.

 

MATTHEWS:  Can we go back to matters of the law and running for president because matters of law, what I’m talking about, and this is the difficult situation you’ve placed yourself in.

 

By saying you’re pro-life, you mean you want to ban abortion.  How do you ban abortion without some kind of sanction?  Then you get in that very tricky question of a sanction, a fine on human life which you call murder?

 

TRUMP:  It will have to be determined.

 

MATTHEWS:  A fine, imprisonment for a young woman who finds herself pregnant?

 

TRUMP:  It will have to be determined.

 

MATTHEWS:  What about the guy that gets her pregnant?  Is he responsible under the law for these abortions?  Or is he not responsible for an abortion?

 

TRUMP:  Well, it hasn’t — it hasn’t — different feelings, different people.  I would say no.

 

MATTHEWS:  Well, they’re usually involved.  Anyway, much more from the audience here at the University of Wisconsin, Green Bay.  We’ll be right back.

 

(APPLAUSE)

 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

 

… (FULL TRANSCRIPT: MSNBC Town Hall with Donald Trump Moderated By Chris Matthews; MSNBC; 3/30/16 5:10 PM EDT)

 

On a personal level I wouldn’t punish a woman for participating with baby-murder with done as a form of birth control. I might not have a problem with accessory to murder. Trump’s complaint is this townhall meeting was skewed to defame Trump as a misogynist and mentioned very little Chris Matthews double-talk hypocrisy on being a good Catholic agreeing with Church doctrine against abortion but being pro-abortion legally for those deluded women who want birth control by murder.

 

And so merely by showing that the first accusation in The Daily Wire was actually disingenuous manipulation and time constraints I’m not going to wade through the 100 other skewed accusations of Trump lying. AGAIN Steve Deace should examine the Hillary lies and make a voter decision based on how wicked she is rather than how much Trump doesn’t measure up to Conservative snuff or Christian ethics.

 

JRH 5/30/16

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Author: oneway2day

I am a Neoconservative Christian Right blogger. I also spend a significant amount of time of exposing theopolitical Islam.

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