Interfaith and Interdenominational Agreement and Disagreement


Risen Christ Leaves Tomb

John R. Houk

© February 22, 2016

 

Yurki1000 left some comments to a post written by Shamim Masih on my NCCR blog. The Shamim submission was a celebration of an interfaith conference that took place in Pakistan. On a personal level I am not a fan of the concept of multiple faiths trying to seek harmonious agreement to celebrate the illusion different religious faiths can unify for world peace. In Shamim’s case he had joined with some Muslim leaders which undoubtedly produced hope at advancing the civil rights of Pakistani Christians that are treated as a subclass of human dhimmis (See HERE and HERE).

 

Pakistani Christians are treated as modern dhimmis even though Pakistan – as most Muslim nations – officially have abandoned the Pact of Umar (Mo’s first successor) rule of law demands of dhimmitude. Modern dhimmis in Muslim nations instead face a cultural discrimination in which the same ill-treatment comes the Christians’ way and the Muslim State unofficially ignores travesties of persecution including forced marriage, rapes, acts of torture, extra punishment for offending Islam-Allah-Mo, and so on.

 

Yurki1000 although expresses the same dislike for interfaith hypocrisy, he looks at the issue through the lens of denominational Christians – Numerous Protestant sects, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and the various Eastern Rite Christians – that have similarities to Catholics and Eastern Orthodox faiths.

 

I believe I found something that I may disagree with Yurki1000 on a matter of faith. He sees inter-denominationational efforts as wrong as much as interfaith efforts are capable of defying their own tenets for world unity. His comments seem to me an indication of the belief Christians that disagree beyond the basics of dogma are heretical or false Christians.

 

The thing is all Christians that agree that Christ was Crucified and Resurrected that humankind can reconnect to God by the Blood of Jesus; that Jesus is the Son of God and and fully human in one nature as well as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three persons in ONE God are essentially in union even if aspects of dogma are at variance to a lesser or greater degree.

 

Yurki1000’s comments as such focus on the Word of Faith Christians as a false religion. On a personal level I gravitate toward believing the Word of God in the Bible are a lifestyle planned by God. Although there are many Word of Faith preachers and teachers that do disagree with each other on many minor issues, the legitimate ones practice the concept of “eat the hay and spit out the sticks” or “not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.”

 

Unfortunately due to the nature of trust involved with Word of Faith people there are charlatans that take advantage of those that trust and believe naively. Those poor Christians forget the Biblical axiom to compare the Word of God with the inward witness of the Holy Spirit that will lead a person to a verification or refutation of what is taught as Biblical. In particular Yurki’s comments on one of the Word of Faith leaders Kenneth Copeland as well as Pope Francis and an Episcopalian Bishop from South Africa.

 

The thing is there are truly good reasons to be critical of the Word of Faith movement at this present time. Too many Word of Faith leaders have strayed from its early message of faith to the excesses of materialism. I still believe God wants the Blood bought Body of Christ to prosper but the question is what is godly prosperity?

 

I believe there is a place in God’s plan for a person to have the blessings of ostentatious wealth; however I don’t believe every person in the family of God are a part of a plan to possess ostentatious wealth as a sign of God’s blessings of prosperity. The Word God makes that clear:

 

4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:

 

11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

 

Unity and Diversity in One Body

 

12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into[a] one Spirit. 14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.

 

15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling? 18 But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased. 19 And if they were all one member, where would the body be?

 

20 But now indeed there are many members, yet one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22 No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary. 23 And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor; and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty, 24 but our presentable parts have no need. But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it, 25 that there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.

 

27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. (1 Corinthians 12: 4-7, 11-27 NKJV)

 

I omitted the enumerated gifts of the Spirit that most Word of faith people like to examine to point out the analogy that not all point are anointed with Ministry gifts in the Body of Christ BUT all persons are gifted with a gift. And every person has a part in Christ’s Body whether rich or poor, slave or free, Greek (as in Gentile) or Jew. And that is the doctrinal problem of excess that many prosperity preachers have slid into. Yet it is my opinion this slide into error doesn’t make one a heretic unless they deny the nature and Redemptive work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Denying Christ and calling oneself a Christian is heresy. And this error by Prosperity Preachers does not make one a unsaved heretic but rather an error that needs prayer and forgiveness rather than condemnation. Ergo I won’t condemn the Copeland family or the Hagin family but rather spit out the sticks and keep the hay. For me that goes for the Protestant Denominations, the Papacy, the Eastern Orthodox the Eastern Rite Christians that do not deny Christ.

 

Nevertheless, Yurki does point out some sticks that need to be spit out and so read his comments with that in mind.

 

Links of Interest:

 

Pope Francis and the Prosperity Gospel; By Jason Steidl; Faith Street – On Faith; 2/26/14

 

KENNETH COPELAND: A Preacher of Uncompromised Word; By JEREMY BURNS; Charismag.com; 8/5/2015

 

About Page; By Rich and Donna Vermillion; KennethCopelandBlog.com

 

 JRH 2/22/16

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Interesting Comments on ‘World Interfaith Harmony Week – Feb 06, 2016

yurki1000

February 10, 2016 at 10:05 PM

Thanks oneway2day 🙂

I picked the video from the link you gave us.

VIDEO: TRUE FACE OF ISLAM and THE VIDEO LABOUR DID NOT WANT LEAKED

Posted by midnightworrior

Published on Dec 11, 2012

Get them filth out before they get us out…This is war wake up.

The link:

http://www.siotw.org/

[Blog Editor: Here is an excerpt from SIOTW “About Islam” page:

Islam is NOT a religion of peace. By its nature Islam is radical, it has no shades.

 

Most people are simply unaware that Islam is NOT just another religion but a totalitarian political cult-like ideology, which compels its followers into blind obedience, teaches intolerance, brutality and locks all Muslims and non-Muslims in a struggle deriving directly from the 7th century nomadic, predatory, Bedouin culture.

 

Islam means “submission” to the will of Allah and the teachings as depicted in the Qur’an which include jihad – the genocidal slaughter of infidels by the sword, killing by beheading, intolerance of other religions, as well as forcing submission to Islam. The ultimate goal of jihad is the domination of Islam over the entire world.

 

In Islam, one is considered “moderate” if one supports the goals of jihad, if not the tactics. Those who totally reject the violent teachings of Islam are considered apostates of Islam and as such, are condemned to death. Moderate Muslims are peaceful “in spite of Islam,” not because of it. The “religion of peace” is a concept the West is eager to embrace – all in the name of political correctness – refusing to believe that a major world religion poses such a devastating threat to humanity.

 

This site is designed to show you the dark side of Islam, the REAL Islam that the West does not want you to see. The Islam that Western media refuse to show you. The Islam that is slowly but surely changing the West. You may feel uncomfortable looking at this site. You should. You will feel anger and disgust that our leaders do not understand Islam when it comes to the motives that drive our enemies to commit suicide for their ideology.

 

Look at the photos, watch the videos, most of which come right out of the Muslim world, a world that glorifies death and destruction of all that is not Islamic. Understand that elements of Sharia law are creeping into our daily lives under shelter of religious freedom. Listen and learn about the real Islam, then tell your family and friends.

 

Do not fear being labeled an ‘Islamophobe.’ Winston Churchill was once accused of being a ‘Naziphobe.’

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yurki1000

February 12, 2016 at 11:12 PM

 

Romans 16_17

VIDEO: The Rise Of The One World Religion- Major Amir Tsarfati

Posted by New Life Media

Published on Aug 13, 2015

TONY PALMER

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Palmer_(bishop)

– Anthony Joseph “Tony” Palmer (February 4, 1966 – July 20, 2014) was a British-born South African bishop with the Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Churches, a communion of dioceses and ministries that are inspired by the “middle way” of classical Anglicanism and count themselves as part of the Convergence Movement. They were originally inspired by Bishop Lesslie Newbigin, a British theologian, missiologist, missionary and author. –

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/heresy-preacher-priest-tony-palmer-dead-urging-christians-unite-rome/

“HERESY PREACHER PRIEST TONY PALMER DEAD AFTER URGING CHRISTIANS TO UNITE WITH ROME”

– GOD APPEARS TO HAVE RELIEVED TONY PALMER OF HIS COMMAND

“And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Revelation 18:4 (KJV)

Just months after Anglican priest and personal friend to Pope Francis, Tony Palmer gave a rousing performance urging Christians to place themselves under the authority of the Roman Catholic system, he appears to have died suddenly in a motorcycle accident.

Tony Palmer had said that he was a “prophet in the spirit of Elijah”, and that his mission was to unite the Christian evangelical church with the Roman Catholic system. He declared “Martin Luther’s protest to be over”, and said that it was time for “Christians to come home to Rome”. Tony’s deluded vision of seeing Christians “coming home to Rome” will also die with him. –

http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/palmer-not-convert-buried.htm

– “Pope” Francis advised Tony Palmer NOT to Convert, ordered him buried as a Catholic Bishop!

The absurd circus that is the Jorge Bergoglio “Papacy” continues unabated. A very interesting article published by Austen Ivereigh in the Boston Globe on August 7, 2014, gives a lot of background information on the friendship between “Pope” Francis and the Anglican-Evangelical “Bishop” Tony Palmer, and casts the latter’s deadly motorcycle accident in an even more significant light: –

http://thewildvoice.org/pope-francis-tony-palmer-change-eucharist/

– On February 28 2014 (one year to the day of Pope Benedict XVI’s resignation) Bishop Tony Palmer released on the Ark Community website a video called ‘The Miracle of Unity Has Begun – Bishop Tony Palmer & Pope Francis’. We have decided to post the last seven minutes of the original thirty-two minute long monologue. Underneath the video we typed the actual transcript, followed by our reflections and Jesus Christ’s prophetic Words given to Maria Divine Mercy. –

https://www.facebook.com/dougbatchelor/photos/a.433566580060656.1073741830.431672620250052/683238928426752/?type=3&theater

Tony Palmer, seated beside Pope Francis

– THE TRUTH ABOUT TONY PALMER! (Tony Palmer, seated beside Pope Francis, Joined together in efforts to bring Protestant[s] together with Catholics,)

LONDON – The English surgeons who fought to save the life of a badly mangled motorcyclist on the morning of July 20 might have guessed he was someone unusual, since the hospital was receiving calls from Rome, from the pope himself, asking for updates.

[BE SURE AND NOTE THIS SECTION BELOW FROM THE ARTICLE! – On June 24, Palmer took a group of evangelical leaders who jointly reach more than 700 million people to meet and lunch with Francis, which he reported to me a few days later, as he left for two weeks in South Africa. The delegates included Copeland, the televangelist James Robison, as well as Geoff Tunnicliffe, head of the Worldwide Evangelical Alliance. They told Francis they wanted to accept his invitation to seek visible unity with the Bishop of Rome.

Palmer handed the pope a proposed Declaration of Faith in Unity for Mission the evangelicals had drawn up, which they proposed would be signed by both the Vatican and leaders of the major Protestant churches in Rome in 2017, on the 500th anniversary of the Reformation and the 50th anniversary of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal.] –

https://www.facebook.com/dougbatchelor/?target_post=673185216098790&ref=story_permalink

– KENNETH COPELAND – TONY PALMER IS IN HEAVEN

In the statement recently posted at his ministry’s website Kenneth Copeland honors Tony Palmer saying he became a bridge between Catholics and Protestants in the Body of Christ. Copeland says Palmer had “a major impact on the worldwide Catholic Renewal” and was responsible for facilitating a face-to-face meeting between the number of Protestant leaders and the Pope last month at the Vatican. A bridge based upon “The unity of the faith—not doctrines.” Copeland went on to say the devil was responsible for his death but they know he is in the presence of Jesus right now and the work of bridge building between Catholics and Protestants begun by Tony Palmer will go on. –

 

Ken Copeland, Pope Francis & Tony Palmer front rowKenneth Copeland, Pope Francis & TONY PALMER  front row

Source: http://tinyurl.com/gvsn2c5

https://www.facebook.com/thediscerningsheep/videos/676178302482429/

KENNETH COPELAND

– ECUMENISM: KENNETH COPELAND making a short video message with the late Tony Palmer to pope Francis in response to the pope’s message of (FALSE) unity. He’s handing over his unsuspecting and undiscerning congregation over to the high priest, and sending them back to BABYLON. –

Facebook VIDEO: ECUMENISM: KENNETH COPELAND Excerpt

 

[Blog Editor: Watch the full video of Tony Palmer and Pope Francis’ message to Kenneth Copeland at https://youtu.be/uA4EPOfic5A]

http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.fi/2014/07/unity-through-diversity-in-novus-ordo.html

GIOVANNI TRAETTINO

 

– Instead of writing a long commentary on the interfaith relationships of Francis we thought we would post a bunch photos and a few videos. Peruse through them and draw your own conclusions. Remember on Monday Francis is to visit his fallen away catholic friend who is now a Baptist minister, Giovanni Traettino. He is reportedly going there to apologize to Evangelicals for the mistreatment they have received from the Church. This idea originated at the recent lunch Francis had with evangelicals. As the pictures show this ‘friendship’ started a long time ago. An important name to remember is Matteo Calisi. –

Blessings

Jyrki

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yurki1000

February 13, 2016 at 12:37 PM

Indeed we are in the End Times.

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The Interfaith Center on Corporate Responsibility is a coalition of faith and values-driven organizations who view the management of their investments as a powerful catalyst for social change.  Our membership comprises nearly 300 organizations including faith-based institutions, socially responsible asset management companies, unions, pension funds and colleges and universities that collectively represent over $100 billion in invested capital.

 

ICCR members and staff engage hundreds of multinational corporations annually to promote more sustainable and just practices because we believe in doing so they will secure a better future for their employees, their customers and their shareholders.

 

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Interfaith and Interdenominational Agreement and Disagreement

John R. Houk

© February 22, 2016

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Interesting Comments on World Interfaith Harmony Week – Feb 06, 2016

 

Edited by John R. Houk

In most cases text enclosed by brackets are by the Editor.

 

© Yurki1000

 

Author: oneway2day

I am a Neoconservative Christian Right blogger. I also spend a significant amount of time of exposing theopolitical Islam.

1 thought on “Interfaith and Interdenominational Agreement and Disagreement”

  1. Thank you again Oneway2day. I appreciate your in-depth work 🙂

    Excuse me my poor English. Also I’m quite lazy. I attempt to bring to a head. Please have mercy on me 🙂

    As a believer I try to tell my readers that the Gate of the Salvation is narrow and God only can unite His people and keep them united by His Spirit. I hope you understand my point of view. We have read about the Harlot.

    https://www.google.fi/#q=mystery%20harlot%20babylon

    Blessings
    Jyrki

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